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Originally posted by akb1979:
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Right, click on this link and look at the picture below that of the Courier (modified Nova). OK, I'm talking about the Excelsior saucer in the top left. It's missing the front left part of its saucer - obviously been blow away by some torpedoes.

Now if you are talking about the plylons to the right of that with part of a ship's body - me does think that it is part of a Nebula - the pylons bend in the same manner as that class and the necelles appear to belong to that class and the Galaxy. As for Cpt. Kyle Amasov's comment about remains of a saucer - it either separated before that damage that we can see was caused or the saucer was totally blown away. It's more than likely the secondary hull of a Nebula.

That help anyone?

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Oh. That Excelsior. Err, yes,...uhmm, very sad, indeed.

The saucer; yes. It's not a Galaxy. Nebulas can - as far as we know - not seperate. Either it blew up or... it blew up. But what if they really can seperate? Sort of Consitution-last-minute-emergency-jettison? You know, leave the stardrive there and get your saucer out of the mess. It took ages to figure out if the Nebula has any impulse engine, and now that we know the saucer has the Galaxy-type drive, we can forget about my theory that there is a drive located in the rear pod. Well, if the two saucer-engines are the only STL-propulsion system, Nebula's stardrive is a blind duck if seperated.
On the other hand: The Dominion would have eliminated an entire saucer escaping the battle. They only let the escape pods go. I really asked myself when did Starfleet pick them up. They can't leave the system on their own, and even starfleet isn't insane enough to send rescue ships to Chin'toka after they lost the battle. Maybe they 'disappeared' on the same way the escape pods at Wolf did.
Back to Nebula: maybe the saucer seperation is really necessary. DS9TM says the ship has a crew of more than 700. The two rowns of pods (assuming those are the same Intrepid/Defiant-pods) can carry up to 4 persons, You couldn't get everyone out of the ship that way. Too few. Emergency-saucer ejection sounds reasonable.

I really should go to bed now.......

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Originally posted by TSN:
AKB: Well, yes, that is indeed an Excelsior. But since that isn't the ship in question, I'm not sure I see your point.

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Well duh!

I posted that little bit of info because people were getting confused about what I was talking about. It doesn't take a PHD to figure it out you know

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maybe the saucer seperation is really necessary. DS9TM says the ship has a crew of more than 700. The two rowns of pods (assuming those are the same Intrepid/Defiant-pods) can carry up to 4 persons, You couldn't get everyone out of the ship that way. Too few. Emergency-saucer ejection sounds reasonable

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Actually, both the CGI and physical model of the Nebula have a total of 400 lifeboats on the saucer. The physical and CGI modelers left out the 10 lifeboats near the bridge. We've never seen the part of the saucer under the pod really well, but if it is like the Galaxy-class, it adds another 14 lifeboats. The Tech. Manual states that Galaxy-class type lifeboats can hold 4 with a max of 6.

So:
400 lifeboats (w/o lifeboats on the rear of the saucer) X 4 = 1600 people (with 6 in each lifeboat, the count rises to 2400)

414 lifeboats (including the ones at the rear of the saucer) X 4 = 1656 (with 6 in each lifeboat, 2484)

More than enough for the 700+ count in the DS9 Manual. Personally, I believe a Nebula could hold a crew just as large as a Galaxy, unless there really is something vital in that neck the Galaxy has...

...wow, I feel strange.

[ February 14, 2002, 13:59: Message edited by: Ace ]

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Originally posted by Ace:
Model. That same MSD calls the saucer impulse engines "Main Shuttlebays (P/S)"!

However, it doesn't mean they don't have lifeboats UNDER the saucer hull similar to the Defiant. Mr. Scott's guide (not canon, but still interesting) has info about how the Constitution Refit has the lifeboats behind the hull plating, and the plates are blown off before the lifeboat is ejected.

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The top view, yes. But the cutaway says 'Shuttlebay, P/S'.

The Constitution had lifeboats. One was seen during the scnene in TMP when Kirk came aboard the ship for the first time. On the blueprint. It was a red boxy entrance with a yellow label saying 'lifeboat', if I remember right.

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