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In my canon shiplist, I've managed to compile most of the appearances of ship models which were simply re-uses (i.e. they were not re-labeled as the ships they were meant to represent in a specific episode). However, I have some questions about certain vessels I'm not sure about...
1. The runabout Gander - Was there ever a canon registry (or for that matter, an official one, since I don't seem to have any registry at all for it)?
2. When the Excelsior studio model was used for the Malinche, was it relabeled or re-regged?
3. The Santa Maria's registry (BDR-529): Was it mentioned or seen in the episode?
4. Harry's Yellowstone-class runabout in "Non Sequitor": Was there a registry # seen?
5. Finally, the 'pedia lists two Mirandas, the Nautilus and the Shir Kahr, which participated in Chin'toka. Were they actually there, or did TPTB just reuse stock footage of the Sitak & Majestic?
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1. No. It was a script mistake fixed in post.
2. Unknown, but likely. They tend to re-label physical models before composing the shot it would be used in, and since they didn't know how the ship would ultimately be positioned at the time, they would likely have labelled it properly in that eventuality. It was next (and last) seen as the USS Fredricksen, where it was relabelled.
3. Mentioned, no. Seen, not likely.
4. Not seen. The only shots of her were zipping by the screen too fast to get a registry.
5. The USS Shir Kahr was seen being blown up at the opening to the fifth act. The Natuilus was presumably one of many Mirandas in the background.
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1. No registry. 2. Can't remember, but my feeling is not. Didn't we only see the aft end of her in one shot? 3. Don't know. Probably. Ask someone else. 4. NX-74751. I think we actually *did* either see it or hear it, but can't be positive. (EDIT: Guess not, if Mark says so...) 5. Yes, they both had the names and regs.
-MMoM
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According to Spikey's site, the Nautilus was confirmed by Digital Muse to be one of the Mirandas with the Defiant and Hood on the moon run. The other one was the Tian An Men. The ShirKhar was also confirmed.
-MM
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1) I saw the episode not long ago, and I could swear the ship had a registry. When Ezri deactivates the engines we can see the nose section for a brief moment, before the storm carries the ship away. But I have never heard of a confirmed registry.
2) See above posts. I even seem to recall a photo of the Malinche-study model.
3) I think it was painted on the hull of the ship. Can't remember if we were able to see it, but I guess no. But if you look at this picture, you can see *something* on the front door entrance. I haven't seen the episode in ages, so I can't tell you if other shots reveal more, but... isn't that a 'B' (followed by something that looks like a 'D')? It shouldn't be a problem to check my episode tape for you.
4) Take a look at the nose section.. It may not be on top of the Okudagram, but that looks like a registry. Okuda doesn't put it on top of it for everyone to see, but clever as he is he hides it on the schematic nontheless.
You can even make out the Shir'Kahr's registry on the rollbar when they blow it up. One thing I still don't get: who told someone that there are the Hood and Tian An Men? They even said that they accidentially confused Hood's and Lakota's registry so that the Hood bears the wrong number. But why all this? Why no they-don't-need-names business any longer? Shir'Kahr and Nautilus are nice, but if I remember correctly Tian An Men was lost in the 'In the cards'. To put it straight: Is the info reliable?
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Forgot one thing: Which one is 'more accepted': Raman's registry from the Encyclopedia (I think it something with 56xxx) or the one from the Okudagram (29xxx)?
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3.) BDR-529 is a hommage to "Blues Brothers" IIRC. Since it would be quite unnecessary to invent an hommage-registry just for the Encyclopedia, I think it was somewhere in the episode.
quote:To put it straight: Is the info reliable?
I think the info is reliable. It was posted by David Stipes in a newsgroup and he got it from John Gross and Karen Sickles of Digitial Muse.
Here's Stipes' original post:
quote:> To all who have asked for ship names and registery numbers for "Tears of > the Prophets" > > These were kindly provided by John Gross and Karen Sickles of Digital > Muse, the company that did the CGI work. > > > Here's the ships we named in "Tears of the Prophets" > > > > The Excelsior (flyby) is the Valley Forge NCC-43305 > > The D class (taking hits from the OWP) is the Galaxy NCC-70637 > > The Miranda that gets hit by the OWP later is the ShirKahr NCC-31905 > > The other D class (doesn't take major hits) is the Venture NCC-71854 > > The Excelsior in the escort (run on the moon) is the Hood NCC-42768 > > The two Miranda in the escort (run on the moon) are the Nautilus > > NCC-31910 > > and the Tian An Men NCC-21382 but I don't think you can ever see > > their names
quote:remember correctly Tian An Men was lost in the 'In the cards'
Lost doesn't mean destroyed. Maybe their communications systems were destroyed during a battle with the Dominion and Starfleet assumed that it was destroyed, because it didn't respond.
quote:Forgot one thing: Whcih one is 'more accepted': Fleming's registry from the Encaclopedia (I think it something with 56xxx) or the one from the Okudagram (29xxx)?
I go with 29487 for the Raman.
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Thanks for the info.
quote:Originally posted by Spike: I go with 29487 for the Raman.
Didn't I say that?
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quote: Lost doesn't mean destroyed. Maybe their communications systems were destroyed during a battle with the Dominion and Starfleet assumed that it was destroyed, because it didn't respond.
Wouldn't be the first time they're used a ship that is supposed to have been lost already. You may recall that the Tripoli appeared in the "MIA / WIA / KIA" list after being mothballed at Z-15 and stolen. Presumably the ship was "reaquired" somehow and later refitted to serve in the war.
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Why no they-don't-need-names business any longer?
Digital Muse always put names/regs on stuff IIRC. It was bloody FOUNDATION that would never do it. Bastards.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-MMoM
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Oh, and the more-accepted number for the Raman is 29487, rather than 59983, since we have a source for the former and not for the latter.
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Perhaps NCC-59983 is actually the USS Ramen, transporting quadronoodlecale to the colonists on Stirfry IV ("The Wok Planet!").
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Santa Maria: I checked it. You see my above post? My 'identification' was wrong. What you see is the front entrance. There's a red strip running around the body of the ship (you can see that on the picture). In front of the door, above the stripe, you can see the regisrty and name. In one scene you can clearly see the 'BDR-', the number is unreadable. Flowers and other plants are hanging over the number. Below the large registry, there's also the name, written in smaller letters. Hey, Sisko even mentiones the Erehwon-class designation in dialogue.
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Again, I still can't ID it because of the blurred pic. Unless one knows where it is, one will easily miss it. I'll take your word that it's there and that you can make parts of the lettering.
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