Topic: More shiplist questions, s'il vous plait...
Amasov Prime
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If you have the episode, there's one scene where you can see it. When Alixus and Sisko leave the wreck after they visited the ill colonist, they go from the door entrance to the landing leg. In the background, just when they leave the ship, the light grey letters and even parts of the name are visible. I searched the net for better pictures, but there are none.
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i think its safe to assume that if Okuda included the number in the Encyc, it probably matches the one that was on the physical set hull. (or at least is a dyslexic rearrangement of it, judging by some of the other Encyc numbers)
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The problem is the nose. 'The Making of Deep Space Nine' had some conceptual drawings of the vessel, I'm sure you've seen them. The body is identical, but the nose section looks different on each image. I'm not sure why they draw those, maybe they just wanted to have some sort of orientation, but from those images, you can't create the entire vessel.
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as for why they exist, probably the drawings were done as preparation for the possibility of building a physical model or possibly a landscape matte painting.. i actually find the incomplete view of the ship satisfying, and more convincing of its scale than if they'd tried some visual foolery to add in more of it.
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Not an in-joke as much as an allusion to the work of Samuel Butler.
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1. Mark, what did you mean by "No. It was a script mistake fixed in post"?
2. I assumed that the Excelsior model was relabeled Malinche because it was new footage of the model, not stock. However, I don't recall ever seeing the ship well enough to determine if it was really relabeled. Therefore, until & unless there's new info to the contrary, I'll list the Malinche without a canon registry for now.
3. I agree that Okuda wouln't have just made up this reference without using it in the episode in some way. Although I can't see anything in Kyle Amasov's pic, I'll take his word for it that there was a registry of some kind visible.
4. Although the runabout display does show an (illegible) registry on the nose, it at least conflicts with the Yellowstone's registry with the NX versus NCC.
5. Got all the info for these ships, & added them to the canon list (plus an added bonus with the Tian An Men, wasn't expecting that one!)
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I suspect that Mark was referring to the fact that the script for "Penumbra" called the runabout the Ganges. After they realized that the Ganges had been destroyed in "Armageddon Game", they changed it to "Gander" in post-production.
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Was it changed in post or at the last possible minute before filming? I remember when Frank was on a crusade to convince us it was "Gandah" we listened carefully to both Dax and Sisko's lines and nobody raised the notion that the words were looped, which one assumes would be noticeable if you were looking at it specifically.
But yeah. From a holy river in India to the longest river on the island of Newfoundland. A bit of a step down for the poor runabout. It's life was mercifully short, thankfully.
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I don't actually know when it was changed. I was just going by what Mark said.
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Amasov Prime
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Did anyone check the script for this one? The shooting script probably comes with the proper Gander, but maybe we're lucky this time.
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quote: I suspect that Mark was referring to the fact that the script for "Penumbra" called the runabout the Ganges. After they realized that the Ganges had been destroyed in "Armageddon Game", they changed it to "Gander" in post-production.
Maybe I should it make a bit clearer: the Ganges is a well known rumor, but was this a statement based on facts ('I read the script and it says Ganges') or just a guess ('You know, there's this rumor that the script says Ganges instead of Gander')?
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