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"..Petty officer Sergey Rozhenko, formally of the U.S.S. Intrepid"
"I was a warp field specialist on the old Excelsior-Class"
Indeed it's not directly established but it is fairly obvious what the implications were, unless of course you like things to be spoon fed to you? The real discussion around the "Excelsior-class" Intrepid is weither or not she was the same ship that had Geordie's mate as chief engineer, as mentioned later in ther series. Personally my vote is for the Intrepid-Class prototype
quote:Indeed it's not directly established but it is fairly obvious what the implications were, unless of course you like things to be spoon fed to you?
No, I'm not that anal...
quote:The real discussion around the "Excelsior-class" Intrepid is weither or not she was the same ship that had Geordie's mate as chief engineer, as mentioned later in ther series. Personally my vote is for the Intrepid-Class prototype.
Well, let's think about this for a second. We know for a fact that the U.S.S. Voyager under the command of Captain Janeway was operational even before the end of TNG's final season, since Riker (wearing his TNG uniform & TNG communicator pin) said as much when Q snatched him out of his time period. So it's logical to assume that the Intrepid prototype was operational even before this. Since the dialogue in "Family" seems to indicate that Rozhenko's Intrepid is obsolete, I'd tend to say that it is the Intrepid prototype Geordi is referring to.
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Well, since it disappeared during "Caretaker" on stardate 48315, and the TNG uniforms were still around on the E-D during Generations on stardate 48650, I'd say there's no problem.
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And some of the registries at the office-wall of Starbase 12 are definitely not Constitutions since the some of the ships assigned to the registries by Okuda haven't even appeared on the show at that time.
I say it's the new Intrepid-class ship. It wouldn't be very fair if Geordi does this competiton with the chief of a decades old Excelsior ship, don't you think? That's like 'Look, my Ferrari's top speed is 350km/h. Let's see how fast your Mazda can go.' On the other hand, who said that Okuda or whoever came up with the Intrepid-class didn't think of this ship? My vote for Intrepid-prototype. They even mentioned the Intrepid another time in the Species-8472-impersonates-starfleet-guys-and-recreates-San-Fransisco-in-the-Delta-Quadrant-episode. And that was definitely ment to be the Intrepid-class prototype.
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quote:I say it's the new Intrepid-class ship. It wouldn't be very fair if Geordi does this competiton with the chief of a decades old Excelsior ship, don't you think? That's like 'Look, my Ferrari's top speed is 350km/h. Let's see how fast your Mazda can go.'
AFAIR the competition wasn't about absolute figures but about relative ones.
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The Intrepid seen in TNG was more then likely the Excelsior-class ship that is "implied" in the episode, with more reinforcement on that given in the Encyclopedia.
An article in the May 2002 Star Trek: The Magazine caught my eye months ago. For those of you who don't get it, it's an article written by Rick Sternback (hopefully the first of many) giving a design lineage for the Intrepid class. In it, the dates for the project are given as 2361-2370, from Stardates 38552.76 - 47132.86.
After some nice technical info, it says near the back that Voyager was launched on January 14, 2371 (Stardate 48038.5) after being fast-tracked to follow the U.S.S. Intrepid and Bellerophon by only three months, making her the third ship of the class.
Elsewhere in there, it states that the project officially became the Intrepid Class Project in 2362, so I reason the NX didn't actually set sail for awhile. Given the fact that Worf's father is retired, I don't think he would have had the chance to server on this ship called Intrepid.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: Well, since it disappeared during "Caretaker" on stardate 48315, and the TNG uniforms were still around on the E-D during Generations on stardate 48650, I'd say there's no problem.
The real, but separate problem was that Voyager was commissioned right before "Caretaker" and "Relativity" established that Janeway had not been on board until right before the events of "Caretaker". Those scenes showed everyone with the current combadge type, not the TNG-series type which Riker was wearing when he appeared unexpectedly on Voyager. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DS9 crew also had the current combadge design at the beginning of the season at around 480xx.
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It is quite possible that the Riker who appeared was plucked from a different time period... it could have been Riker from years before that episode with Q's appearance.
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But it seems he knew Janeway and what happened (something like 'Thought you were dead').
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The uniforms really aren't an indication of anything. Remember that, during Generations, they wore both uniforms. Some people even switched uniforms in the middle of the movie.
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The "let's not confuse series ships" policy has always been a little weird, even if it does make sense from a television programming perspective. Especially since, on occasion, they tossed the whole thing out the window anyway, such as with the Bellerophon. (Which probably made sense from both a production point of view (We can borrow ready-made sets!) and a technical, Sternbachian one (Since the idea of what happens if negotiations go really, tragically poorly was surely in the backs of the minds of the mission planners, and the Intrepid seems like a good sort of courier ship to use when you suspect bad things may happen.))
So much sense, in fact, that I'm a little surprised we didn't see Voyager sets a bit more often on DS9.
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Regardless, the TNG commbadges could have been used right up until Generations. There's a stardate span of 335 between VOY's disappearance and then. That's plenty of time from which Riker could have been snatched (four months for those who believe 1000 stardates = 1 year).
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