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Did the dialogue in "The Naked Now" and "Legacy" call these ships by an S.S. prefix? (Of course, I fully support and prefer the Encyclopedia's designations, but I'd like to note the discrepancy in my shiplist... )
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Actually, the ship's name is "K.E. Tsiolkovsky" from it's dedication plaque.
As for the Arcos, IIRC neither "U.S.S" or "S.S." was spoken.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Actually, the ship's name is "K.E. Tsiolkovsky" from it's dedication plaque.
At least that's what Mike Okuda told me (I don't know if it was visible in the episode, but we had a discussion about that on the TrekBBS and he contacted me).
And if the script (and episode) say S.S., I think S.S. is OK. Did the ship have an NAR-registry? Can't remember at the moment.
[Edit]It is NCC. That could be a problem. Three sources, therr different prefixes (or obvious prefixes, allthough we don't know what the model said, the NCC suggests a USS-prefix)
quote: At least that's what Mike Okuda told me (I don't know if it was visible in the episode, but we had a discussion about that on the TrekBBS and he contacted me).
I'm not sure if it appeared onscreen, but I'm seen a print of it somewhere. The name and prefix are in Russian lettering so it looks more like K.3. Tsiolkovsky.
quote: And if the script (and episode) say S.S., I think S.S. is OK. Did the ship have an NAR-registry? Can't remember at the moment.
The plaque had an NCC reg, I don't know about the model. Perhaps someone could check the DVD for either of these?
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The plaque, the screenshot, and the ship. The model had the Grissom's registry AFAIK.
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Thanks for the images, Spike. Okuda said he had done 2 plaques, one for the episode and one for a russian exhibition. But I guess one was just a copy of the other.
If the model is NCC-638, everything we have is the encyclopedia. If the book says NCC, it is NCC. The plaque supports this. But it also gives the K.3, which is, of course, not a prefix at all (Konstantin Eduardovitch Tsiolkovsky). In other words, there's not a single source whether it could be USS or SS. But AFAIR there has never been an SS-ship with an NCC, and the encyclopedia gives USS, too. On the other hand, there's the script that clearly says SS, right? Well, if there's nothing else, it looks like a 2:1-victory for USS.
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The final shot does have the model bear NCC-638. Since we know the model to have not been relabeled, I'm guessing the effects shots were completed before the plaque was made. And since the model was not relabeled, and the plaque includes the guy's first and middle initials, I'm venturing to say that if the model had been labeled, it would say U.S.S. K.E. Tsiolkovsky. Ships have been named as so but only refered to by only the person's last name. I'm also venturing to say that everybody forgot about the S.S. prefix and automatically assummed U.S.S.
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Since this was filmed after ST:IV, maybe the model was labled as the Copernicus That screen shot may be our best chance to determine if the Grissom was relabled for the spacedock sequence.
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Yes, the plaque technically says "K. Z. Tsiopkovskiy". However, the fact that the 'l' looks like a 'p' is probably just because of the font they used. And the proper 'e' looks a lot like the 'z' (instead of a '3', it looks like a backward 'C' w/ a horizontal line in the middle). So it's not too much of a stretch to make it the correct "K. E. Tsiolkovskiy".
As for the prefix and such, I list it on my ship list as "SS K. E. Tsiolkovskiy".
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quote:Did the dialogue in "The Naked Now" and "Legacy" call these ships by an S.S. prefix?
No, the Arcos wasn't called "S.S. Arcos" in this episode. It was identified as Federation freighter (like the Odin), and the two crewmen didn't wear Starfleet uniforms.
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