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Does anyone have any pics or renderings of Chakotay's (or chuckles in TrekBBS) Raider. I have not seen anything on it or about it. Did Chakotay sit in a command chair or was he pushing buttons in the front seat?
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Despite later claims to the contrary [I'm fairly certain that he said he had a helmsman], Chakotay seemed to be sitting in the conn seat the entire episode.
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Yes, I seem to remember a scene of (from left of screen to right) Tuvok, Squirrel Boy, & Torres all wedged into a bench seat in fron of a console in one of those "how the fuck did they get in there" cockpits. The whole setup reminded me massively of the ship from "Explorers." The movie with Ethan Hawke, River Phoenix, & Robert Picardo, not the DS9 episode.
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I thought the Raider's bridge was a modification of the Runabout cockpit (no command chair at all).
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Actually, I think that Chakotay had the only front seat. I have a mental image of Torres facing sideways on the starboard side.
I've got a tape of "Caretaker" downstairs... I'll see if I can get a quick reference later this afternoon.
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Ah. So she WAS facing sideways in that shot... but so was Chakotay. So they're both facing forwards.
Does that make B'Elanna the (unofficial) first officer of the raider? Not that it's particularly important, just wondering.
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I don't think so - I think it was Tuvok. His cover was probably as another disgruntled Starfleet lieutenant, and in Chakotay's mind that should be sufficient to place above a cadet who left the academy. There's nothing that says that a ship's XO has to be sitting in any particular seat; just look at Spock. For all we know, the XO could've been Ayala, who was fixing things in the background during that scene.
This is of course assuming that there was an XO to begin with. There were no more than forty people on the ship to begin with, and from what we know of the Defiant there isn't necessarily a traditional command structure on ships with crews so small. Should Chakotay have tried to set up a Starfleet style doodad on his ship, there need not have been a proper XO.
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I thought Torres was the chief engineer, and I don't remember a chief being the XO of a vessel. Probably because they have enogh to do in engineering and it would slow down the whole process; instead they use a 'bridge officer' (which leads to the question: why was Torres - at that time - on the bridge/chockpit/whtever? I got the impression that she was able to control everything important from her station, but wouldn't it make more sense to have her 'down' in engineering?)
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That's why I was wondering if she might have doubled as the first officer.
IMO, Tuvok wouldn't have been a good candidate because I think he was there for only a short amount of time -- he was only an undercover agent. I'm assuming that he wasn't there long enough to earn the trust/respect/etc to get that position. B'Elanna, on the other hand, has been firmly established as a close friend of Chakotay's and a longtime ally. That's why I'd figure she'd be the XO.
Of course, the REAL reason that she was on the bridge was that she was a Main Character, and needed to be established right away.
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As far as these "How the "fuck" did they get in there?" cockpits go, this one need not be as bad as the others. Seeing how the ship is scaled to be a multi-deck vessel, there could have been a nice floor hatch and a ladder there...
Oh, and I'm sure Chakotay had his duty roster worked out to the minutest detail, including the XOs for all three shifts. I'm not all that convinced that any of his crew actually gave a flying fuck about that duty roster, though. They would more probably have worked on a "Today's my turn to drive!" "Oh yeah? It's my turn now!" basis. Whether Chakotay responded to that with a punch or two of his own, or by simply writing his rosters in pencil... Both would have been prefectly in character, IMHO.
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LOL, Timo, good point. Voyager generally portrayed the Maquis as less organized, and more go-with-the-flow as far as maintaining/running the starship went.
But it would still make sense to have some kind of duty roster. Otherwise who would want to work the night shift? If a Cardassian cruiser happened to be in the area, I doubt that they would have been running on Earth Standard Time.
Anyway, I guess there was no XO at all. Maybe Torres was just the copilot or something.
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I always got the feeling that the Maquis were never in space for very long anyway. They'd go on missions, then it's back to base, Joe. Even if they did have formal duty rosters, my guess is it would only be for a couple of days.
The Maquis' command structure always seemed to be mostly based on club house rules. Someone was "in charge" because he was the one who started the cell, or had sort of risen to that position. Everyone respected that person (or at least tolerated them) and sort of did as they were told.
A formal command structure doesn't really seem to fit with their mentality. As such, I doubt anyone was specifically an XO. Had Chakotay been killed, someone would've started giving orders, and more than likely there would have been disagreements as to who was in charge.
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