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So tell us poor wrong-side-of-the-Atlantic schmucks (Europe ), any pics on the dvd that�s not in the magazine? and if so, any scans to post here?
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quote:Originally posted by Timo: So I hear the new ST:Magazine has a selection of the early, "upside down" sketches of the Reliant...
I thought that was just a rumor, the whole 'they but the image on Probert's desk and he looked at them upside down and liked it' just sounds too stupid.
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quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
quote:Originally posted by Timo: So I hear the new ST:Magazine has a selection of the early, "upside down" sketches of the Reliant...
I thought that was just a rumor, the whole 'they but the image on Probert's desk and he looked at them upside down and liked it' just sounds too stupid.
the rumer i heard was that they put it on Harve Bennett's desk, not Andy Probert's.
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quote:Originally posted by Prismatic Faye Valentine Fanboy:
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
quote:Originally posted by Timo: So I hear the new ST:Magazine has a selection of the early, "upside down" sketches of the Reliant...
I thought that was just a rumor, the whole 'they but the image on Probert's desk and he looked at them upside down and liked it' just sounds too stupid.
the rumer i heard was that they put it on Harve Bennett's desk, not Andy Probert's.
Anyway, I think it's not real. But feel free to show me I'm wrong.
(BTW, I know why they deactivated quote-in-quote-posts at the Trekbbs. )
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The whole "upside down" sketch thing isn't a rumor. The production team had to mail everything to Harve Bennett since he was working on a project overseas. When he approved the design, he wrote his approval on the sketch upside down. The production team didn't know whether or not to send it back and get his approval again (which would take too much time), or just work with the upside-down sketch. Obviously, they did the latter. There are differences though... the "rollbar" was added later by Joe Jennings and Lee Cole. Originally, there were two separate torpedo pods below the nacelles.
Sorry about the less-than stellar quality... the original sketch was very faint and I don't have much time to clean it up right now. But it's better than nothing.
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Upside down makes more sense, really, at least initially. Nacelles go up, after all, unless you are a Klingon. (Or the Aurora, but the less said about that the better.) At least, up till this point.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Upside down makes more sense, really, at least initially. Nacelles go up, after all, unless you are a Klingon. (Or the Aurora, but the less said about that the better.) At least, up till this point.
To be fair, yout (we) are basing this on our experience at this point of ONE whole Starfleet vessel. Who decided what parts of the Enterprise were class specific, and which would symbolise a Starfleet vessel? obviously, they went for the saucer, but they dropped the secondary hull, which exists on almost all other SF ships.
The Romulan BOP also had nacelles going up.
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Had the Reliant stayed that way, the Enterprise would look to be severely out-gunned as it appears Reliant would have 8 torp launchers. However, I don't see any phaser cannons in the sketches, so who knows if they would have been added anyway.
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Seems they had the design pretty much nailed down at that stage, save for the nacelle orientation (and pylon shape). Sigh. I was actually hoping for something more distinct, something that could be used as a new standalone class from the TOS movie era. But this simple nacelle flip would make no sense as a separate class - it would be just another example of silly fanbody cut-and-pasting with no engineering justification whatsoever.
The torp pods make me wonder about the story logic of ST2. The Reliant was supposedly assisting in science ops. One would expect a rather lightly armed ship, then. OTOH, story logic would also dictate that the baddie outgun the Enterprise. And not just because he's got the drop on Kirk thanks to that nasty evil surprise attack; dramatically, Khan should constantly and graphically have the upper hand because underdogs can't be villains and top guns can't be heroes in a Hollywood movie.
That's a built-in problem in the story, and one the modelers couldn't readily solve. The idea to put the superior weaponry in a separate pod was a good compromise. An even better one IMHO would have been to give the Reliant a weapon type the Enterprise did not possess, and put *that* in the pod. Something with a distinct visual effect, something Khan would (falsely) think would give him the upper hand. Perhaps a "rocket pod", one that could let rip with hundreds of small projectiles?
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quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
quote:Originally posted by Prismatic Faye Valentine Fanboy:
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
quote:Originally posted by Timo: So I hear the new ST:Magazine has a selection of the early, "upside down" sketches of the Reliant...
I thought that was just a rumor, the whole 'they but the image on Probert's desk and he looked at them upside down and liked it' just sounds too stupid.
the rumer i heard was that they put it on Harve Bennett's desk, not Andy Probert's.
Anyway, I think it's not real. But feel free to show me I'm wrong.
(BTW, I know why they deactivated quote-in-quote-posts at the Trekbbs. )
Let's see if we can push this enough to make them disable something here!
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