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Ok, sorry for the delay but I was kinda busy for a day. When I picked up my Season 4 copy, it came with an extra disk that shows Greg Jein and the models he helped build during that season... minus the Wolf 359 ships. A funny thing is that there is a miniature shuttlebay set right behind him as he shows off the cast of the Vorch'a Class. The regular disks did show the ships in the battle during construction. Take the Niagra Class... a new pic shows a guy with the ship sideways gluing something. Also, there is a pic of the upsidedown Firebrand next to the Niagra after the damage was applied and it clearly shows that the saucers from both due come from Galaxy Class parts. The interview of Mike Okuda from 1991 shows the New Orleans Class Kyushu hanging at the ceiling, the intact Nebula Class USS Melbourne from Future Imperfect next to Okuda, and that's about it. The audio said that the ships were either made from kitbash models, filming models from the movies hence the Enterprise from ST:3, and the Bill George study models. And Okuda says that Patrick did go to the post production area and asked what Mike was doing with a ship... hence the story about Patrick making Xerox copies during BoBW true. And the Borg ship that blew up was only 2 ft. squares made of guess what... a wooden box with the frames that the kit models came in. That's why it blew up so nicely...
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The upside-down Firebrand should nicely expose her throat to us. How many window rows are there? The FF number & size of windows, suggesting a small, Saladin-like ship? Or some other number or size, better matching the FF saucer depiction?
Do we see the doohickey at the bottom of the nacelle? What is it?
Any windows on the saucer underside for determining the scale?
quote:The regular disks did show the ships in the battle during construction.
I take it you mean only the Jein models, not the Miarecki models.
quote:Also, there is a pic of the upsidedown Firebrand next to the Niagra after the damage was applied and it clearly shows that the saucers from both due come from Galaxy Class parts.
Are you sure it's upside down, because maybe that's the way it was supposed to be...Was the Princeton upside down as well? Could you see a bridge or registry?
quote:The audio said that the ships were either made from kitbash models, filming models from the movies hence the Enterprise from ST:3, and the Bill George study models.
Yes, I figured that that's what they meant by the "recycled from old TV shows & features" line. Too bad; I was looking forward to a pic of yet another Excelsior study model. Oh well, at least I got my wish with a pic of the Firebrand. So we now have photos of all the Wolf 359 kitbashes!
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There was never any model built for the Rigel class, at least for BoBW. The erroneous former fan description of the Rigel was actually of the Niagara. The name "Tolstoy" was just a post-production name change for the Chekov, so no quick Tolstoy model would have been built either, as photography had already wrapped.
However, Robert Legato MIGHT have either built a Tolstoy model, or written the name on a piece of wreckage, as he also might have built an Apollo class Gage model, as he hints at in the DS9 Companion, for "Emissary". Unfortunately, all of my efforts to contact either him or the people that might have worked with him (i.e. Gary Hutzel)have been in vain. The only two people who ever answered me about this was Rick Sternbach & Michael Okuda. RS basically had nothing to tell me, and all Okuda said was that he never labeled a model with the name "Gage." Of course, Legato might have been working independently of Okuda (like Jein did for BoBW), so it's still a possibility. However, until we hear it from the horse's mouth, we don't even know if those ships even existed in model form.
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Well, no model exists for the Rigel class. And if one existed for the Apollo class, it would be from the originally planned, but later scrapped Wolf 359 sequence "Emissary" (DS9)
Damn, beaten by Dukhat!
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quote:Responding to my own post:Are you sure it's upside down, because maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Wait, scratch that. The screencap clearly shows that the bridge & shuttlebay are on top of the saucer, while the nacelle is below. My bad.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Unfortunately, all of my efforts to contact either him or the people that might have worked with him (i.e. Gary Hutzel)have been in vain. The only two people who ever answered me about this was Rick Sternbach & Michael Okuda.
Our fellow poster Cpt. Kyle Amasov has been in communication with Hutzel, if I'm not mistaken. That was how he found out that the mystery galaxy from the Ds9 Calender was the U.S.S. Ronald D. Moore.
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Hmm... looks like they may have reused the Niagara image from the S3 set. I'm guessing the "extra disk" is the one that was supposed to come with the Best Buy and Suncoast(?) editions, right?
Now I really want to see these. Those DVDs better come in by tomorrow...
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Yup, I bought Season 3 and 4 at Suncoast for $103 with tax. I do say, it is interesting to notice that Shelby refers to Barcley in BoBW and then see the Kyushu twirling around up the post production celing during Mike Okuda's interview back in 1991.
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quote:Our fellow poster Cpt. Kyle Amasov has been in communication with Hutzel, if I'm not mistaken. That was how he found out that the mystery galaxy from the Ds9 Calender was the U.S.S. Ronald D. Moore.
Actually, it was Kyle who gave me Hutzel's email address not too long ago. Either way, I sent him basically the same email I sent Legato, with exactly the same reply, i.e. nothing. It's a shame too, because if he would have replied, I wanted to then ask him about the Olympia wreckage, since DD told me that he was responsible for that.
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