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Wow, that thing in the lower right corner of the first picture MUST be the Buran! Nicely spotted!
Tentatively agreed with the rest - but I think that in the last two pics, the ship to the left of the E-D (the one you say resembles the Phoenix) could simply be the Chekov again. And even seen from practically the same angle as in the first picture. The aft half of the saucer seems to be extensively charred, so as to be almost invisible in all the pics.
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How is it that no-one ever found the Buran in the lower right of the viewscreen before? I've never even seen a capture of that shot before...
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Weeeell, the original caps showed this jumbled mess of glowy bits that didn't lend itself to much analysis. Remember how we could barely ID the Melbourne for what she was? And she was centrally positioned and had more screen time.
And still, I believe that somebody did suggest that the lower-right collection of spare parts could be the Buran. Or the Chekov. I just can't find the thread right now (and it must be more than a year old...).
Apparently, the Buran is on fire between the aft hull and the lower nacelle. The upper nacelle has been chewed on. And the saucer is a mess, but still a round (or oval) mess. In the final pics, we could be seeing the same ship since the damage is identical (doh!) and since the position wrt the Kyushu and the Chekov is similar. Perhaps the fires finally ran out of oxygen?
Alternately, there are multiple ships of each class present, and the identical-looking damage is just a coincidence... Or a sign of Borg systematicsm in targeting ships of a certain class in a certain way.
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I could probably figure that out, too. I've got Macromedia Flash -- never learned it yet, but this would be a fun way to try! And I know that you can incorporate video into the Flash movies... how would THAT make for a good analysis?
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quote:I don't know if it was in the TNG Companion as well, but this info appeared in the TNG Tech Manual first. Sternbach or Okuda mentioned that some Jein-built ships had open lifeboat hatches, but didn't say which ones. I'm guessing either they were added to the Niagara and Freedom later on, or are on some unseen or indistinct debris (we know there's stuff like that, based on the Liberator shuttle and that eBay saucer piece over at Guardian of Forever).
That may be true, but I think that if there was a wrecked hull that was actually large enough to show the open lifeboat hatches (instead of just a random chunk of debris), then we probably would have known about it. Also, what "Ebay saucer piece" are you referring to? The Enterprise saucer from STIII?
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Excellent capture work so far. I've planned to get this 4th season DVD pack and use the clearer images to update the Wolf 359 screencap analysis page, but you beat me to it. I've used these great pictures and enhanced them a little to update the analysis, yielding intriguing new information - links and credits have been inserted. Many thanks...
Well, that's the first I've seen of that. Did whoever is selling it claim that it's an original piece from BoBW? So, like, what credentials did this person have, and how would they have gotten their hands on an original filming model?
But let's for the sake of argument say that it's an original piece. We still don't know who made it, or what ship it's supposed to represent. It could be just a piece from the Melbourne that Okuda lopped off. Or perhaps it's the Tolstoy?...no, wait, I'm just kidding. ...actually, this piece might be the object in the middle of the screen which everyone keeps thinking is the Liberator shuttle. Seeing as it's a Galaxy-type saucer, it seriously might be a good candidate for what's left of the Tolstoy.
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Wow... guess I was wrong. What a difference a little less fog makes... Great work both on the GIFs and the new analysis.
I have to admit, though, I must be blind 'cause I'm still not seeing the Buran in the viewscreen. Could someone point out where the nacelles and saucer are?
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