I believe that this is the model used in the Qualor II depot that we thought was the Tyrus particle fountain. Looking at the screencap closer, the underside of the top dome looks way more like the underside of the actual Spacedock than the underside of the particle fountain model. I'm not sure if this is actually the same model as the fountain (i.e. the model was modified into the fountain), or that the fountain was a seperate model based on this study. What do you all think?
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Dukhat - I believe you are correct. There is the surrounding cylinders which are present in both - but the spacedock study AND the background station at Qualor II don't have the bottom mushroom 'cap' but another group/tapered core.
So where did the particle fountain comefrom? Did they spruce up one of those Spacedock studies?
Andrew
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Well seeing as the second ship I posted is NOT the top ship of the last pic (which I thought it might have been until I saw the extra two nacelles) It can be discarded.
There is no way that this new ship is the same as the quad-naceller that we've known about for a while.
So how many OTHER Excelsior studies are out there!!
And has this second quad-naceller appeared in BOBW and/or Unification?
Andrew
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I don't know...I think it might be just a top view of the two-naceller, and there's some wierd bits on the end of the nacelles that make it look like it has four from the top.
Hopefully we'll find out for sure when January's mag comes out. (That little picture is a preview from the back cover of the current mag, for the next issue's article on designing the Excelsior...)
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Yeah, but those would be two per nacelle...
The top view in the new photo matches the old side view of the 2-naceller in almost every respect: the saucer, the superstructure above the saucer, and the square thing with the round dome atop it are quite identical in detail. It's just the aft end where we got surprises, mainly because it was so darkened-out and obstructed in the older photo.
OTOH, I think we can all also agree that the top view in the new photo cannot be of the same ship as the bottom view in that photo. The squarish thing with a dome is clearly different in the top and bottom ships, for example (and the bottom one matches the known 4-naceller, just like the top one matched the known 2-naceller).
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OK, this is getting needlessly confusing. Let's see if I can clear this up.
1. The picture of the top view and side view of the Excelsior study models ARE NOT THE SAME SHIP. The top view shows the "flat" study model, while the side view shows the quad-naceller that Okuda gave us the pics of years ago.
2. The confusion arises because the top view of the flat study model shows that there are pointed ends on the nacelles similar to the quad-naceller, and that both models look to be the same bluish color. Until this pic came out, we didn't know that the nacelles were like this because we couldn't see them in the Art of Star Trek photo.
3. There are four known Excelsior study models: The "flat" ship, the quad-naceller, the model that looks closer to the actual Excelsior but not quite, and the final model which looks almost exactly like the Excelsior (which we only have a top-view of).
So there.
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Is there a plan/schematic of the Oberth/Miranda Excelsior? Also for Wolf 359 there used to be a show called SCI Fi Buzz on TV about 10 years ago - there was one episode where the Kyushu model was shown and it was stated that this and other Wolf 359 types were to be on a special home shopping network edition concerning Star Trek around Christmas of that year -never did find if this happened?!!
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