And Styro...I failed to mention the iso(kinetic?) bazookas from Insurrection. The actual DS9TM blurb was regarding the new pulse phaser based rifles, but it mentions the Sovereign having new equipment requirements. I'm not sure what else she's packing.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I meant Ventral aft. No torpedo coverage down there. It's really the same firing arc as the Connie refit from that angle. I'd add (if I were to follow the Soverign's lead) a micro-launcher facing aft near the tractor beam emitter.
There already IS a dual torpedo launcher, identical to the forward launcher just under the deflector dish, mounted right at the bottom of the secondary hull. That's not a tractor beam emitter...
I was talking about the Galaxy, not the Soverign.
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I'm sorry, I typed it wrong, I mean't Enhanced Deterrence Explorer. Many sources online (do a Google search) has the Sovereign listed as an Enhanced Deterrence Explorer. Whether this is canon or not is up for debate...
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actually its not up for debate at all.. fanboy websites are not canon, no debate needed. there is no ship type or mission profile listed for the sovereign class in any of the filmed appearances, the scripts, the background preproduction sketches, or the creators licensed material such as encylopediae or TMs.
so there's no debate, the websites are definitely wrong.
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That's not open for debate at all. Only when Paramount puts an official stamp on it, THEN it becomes open for debate
Seriously though, to save you the flogging that somebody is probably cooking up...unless its mentioned onscreen or in either of the TMs (or maybe the new tech supplements) I don't think anybody considers it canon.
Dang, Captain beat me to it....oh well I'll keep it up to second your motion.
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If I had to take a stab (shiv handy!), I'd opine that the Sovereign-class might be a "rapid response explorer."
When the Galaxy was designed, it was postulated that the ships would be embarked on 5-, 10-, or possibly even 20-year deep-range exploration missions--thus their sizes & facilities. But what did they end up doing? Running around, back & forth across the Federation on various crisis missions & exploding.
Obviously, there are situations that require a large modern vessel to handle the crisis du jour, but why tie up this huge assets? So we create the Sovereign, which has all of the same assets as the Galaxy if not slightly more, but minus the extranea--the familes, the vast amounts of scientific facilites dedicated to the 11-level branches of things; who really needs a xeno-ornithology lab anyway? Now we have a ship that can do these emergency situation runs & not have to worry about putting so many & so much at risk.
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I think the Soverign is the product of a less niave STarfleet made for alll the same purposes as the Galaxy class. Hey Shik, got any new models? I'd love to see somebody make a cutaway of your latest efforts.
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Wow, my, my, three phaser arrays on the top huh? Makes that all the more canon.
Shik is partially correct. The Galaxy class was designed to have these long missions in deep space where they won't be in contact with little to no Federation planets, outposts and friendly ships. So she carries families and with alot of luxuries that most ships don't have. However throughout the 7 years of TNG, we don't see the Enterprise being sent out on those long missions, but going through a settling many internal issues.
My guess is that the Sovereign was designed to settle these issues so that the real exploring can be done. The Sovereign apprears to be more heavily armed than the Galaxy class. But then again, could the Sovereign class do the same missions as the Galaxy class? Perhaps. With the same efficiency? Maybe, but on screen evidence proves that Starfleet would rather send these ships on 'police patrols' than exploring.
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The discussion of mission types re the Galaxy and Sovereign classes got me thinking about how the shows tend to fall back on the familiar instead of having the Enterprise doing it's exploring strange new worlds gig.
Regarding the Galaxy class being designed for long deep-space missions, I recall that when TNG came on, within a half-season I was rolling my eyes. In the pilot they went to Daneb IV, "beyond which lies the vast unexplored mass of the galaxy", and, apparently turned right around and started crusing known space instead. It was stupidly reinforced when at the end of every other episode they were heading for starbase this and starbase that. If the writers had been on the ball they could have been heading into some new place at the end of each episode, and even if the stories we saw weren't always out in the frontier, the implication would be the ship was always out exploring between episodes.
I think it's obvious that the Sovereign was -- as all the ships are, really -- designed to look cool without really giving much consideration to what would have to go in it and how it would do its (unstated) mission profile. That was the case with the D too. Originally it was only going to be Excelsior length, but Probert convinced Roddenberry to make it HUGE. Why? Not for practical reasons. Cause it would be more impressive for it to be a giant compared to the old ship, I guess.
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"Why? Not for practical reasons. Cause it would be more impressive for it to be a giant compared to the old ship, I guess."
If you had to prepare an extended range mission of exploration deep into uncharted territory, would you select an aged, cramped, and ill-equipped Excelsior to fulfill the mission requirements, or the largest, most powerful starship ever constructed (up to that point), specifically geared towards the mission parameters and with the ability to show the flag if necessary?
In these cases, size DOES matter.
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quote: I Have been worknig with my friends in the Core of Enginers to create a exaustive database of all Federation starships. We have decided to focus on the most important ship, those which have Borg killing power which is necessary to survive because the Borg are the biggest threat We are the crew of the U.S.S. Soveregn, NCC-77700, which has been refit with new technology to fight Borg and Dominion threats.
Hoax, yes? Yes? Please?
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