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Excellent views, "Reverend". That's pretty much h ow I always envisioned it to be. A largish sized debarkation/embarkation area that was sort of in the middle of both F & G decks.
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quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Ok, lets try that again. How about three ramps? one going straight on and up, the other two going too the left and down, and to the right and down (as you exit the airlock).
I think your pic is a bit out of scale. Take a second look at the Rec Room scene in TMP. That room ALSO is on the "rim" of the saucer, and that "back" wall I'd say is 25-30% higher than you have yours.
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I like it, but I think the ramp up to F deck.
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Thanks Reverend, that pic will make a nice reference for my cut-away model. I'm thinking of doing a gently sloping ramp up to the middle of the deck, with a turbo-shaft on each side of the gangway door, and a row of vending machines.
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DW: The Rec Deck problem is one that Andy Probert knows about. That, and the turbolift car shaped like a Tylenol capsule (which -- being 15 feet high wouldn't fit laterally along a 9-foot-high horizontal turboshaft), were artifacts of the set designer he had to answer to. Andy said that if you can figure out how the hell to make the rec deck fit in the saucer rim, go for it. But I personally don't think re-sizing the saucer to fudge it is the answer.
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The shadow of the turbolift cab could be explained creatively by saying it really is powered by "turbines". Perhaps a set of semicircular airstream diverting vanes is tilted from vertical to horizontal when the lift cab changes its direction of motion?
Alternately,the cab extends airbags when in a vertical shaft, just in case the power fails and the grabbers don't grab...
Or then the transparent walls of those shafts have weird optical properties. The last remnant of the original, fairly psychedelic "Phase II" decorative style?
The Rec Deck problem could probably only be solved by saying that the back wall windows are computer-controlled displays. And that the windows we see on the saucer rim are in fact where all those private cabinets go - the ones where Kirk, Spock and McCoy had their little chat. The Rec Deck would then be somewhere on the ship centerline, aft of the bridge. Which is where the two parallel turboshafts would most logically be situated anyway.
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Who's to say that the horizontal turbo shafts are only one deck high? they could take half the above and below decks, or that might reflect the actual deck hight... That oval area at the top and bottom of the shadow might also be the 'tween deck space, for Jeffries tubes.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: DW: The Rec Deck problem is one that Andy Probert knows about. That, and the turbolift car shaped like a Tylenol capsule (which -- being 15 feet high wouldn't fit laterally along a 9-foot-high horizontal turboshaft), were artifacts of the set designer he had to answer to. Andy said that if you can figure out how the hell to make the rec deck fit in the saucer rim, go for it. But I personally don't think re-sizing the saucer to fudge it is the answer.
--Jonah
Just to set the record straight, the elevator car height problem wasn't one Andy was aware of until I pointed it out to him as I was writing Mr. Scott's Guide. When I submitted for comment the drawing used in the book, he told me I needed to change it to the tall, capsule-shaped thing seen within the cargo bay elevator shaft. I explained why such a car wouldn't work, and he basically said, "yeah, okay."
quote:Originally posted by Griffworks: That's pretty much how I always envisioned it to be. A largish sized debarkation/embarkation area that was sort of in the middle of both F & G decks.
As I understand it, the intent was that the gangway door was for ease of crew embarkation/debarkation, with a ramp leading directly up to Deck 6, where the crew's quarters are. In fact, I did a section drawing of the gangway door/ramp for MSG, but that item (among others) was cut from the book when it went from 160 to 128 pages.
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When I talked to Andy about it, he said when he first went to work on TMP, he pointed the turbolift and rec deck problems out to the set designer, but was essentially shot down.
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quote:Originally posted by thelastguardian: In fact, I did a section drawing of the gangway door/ramp for MSG, but that item (among others) was cut from the book when it went from 160 to 128 pages.Shane
... AND THE OTHER 32 PAGES ARE AVAILABLE?
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: When I talked to Andy about it, he said when he first went to work on TMP, he pointed the turbolift and rec deck problems out to the set designer, but was essentially shot down.
--Jonah
Ummm...no.
Actually, concerning the Rec Deck, that may well be true. Andy told me the same thing, and I do know that he and the set designer experienced some friction.
As for the turbolift, I remember that particular phone call quite clearly, as well as the silence on the line when I asked him how an elevator car 12-15 feet high is going to pass sideways through the nine-foot decks of the primary hull.
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