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Mark Nguyen
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Forgive me if this has been tried already...

Okay, if anyone has the time and capability, it'd be cool if we could get a look at the new weaspons on the Enterprise-E. I haven't been able to isolate the new pylon phaser mounts, but I'm fairly sure that the first beauty shot of the Enterprise after the wedding shows at least one of the new torpedo tubes on the forward dorsal. Has anyone capped these yet?

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Caps available:

http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap01sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap02sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap03sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap04sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap05sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap06sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap07sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap08sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap09sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap10sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap11sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap12sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap13sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap14sm.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Nem-sovweap15sm.jpg

I only see some of the launchers Eaves drew . . . the forward-most one on the forward dorsal seems to be absent. The forward dorsal one on the terraces may be there, but it is never seen to fire. That's cap #1 and #2.

Cap #3 shows the new upper aft launcher, as well as the "sealed hole" in the location where I believe the aft torps from Insurrection were launched (at the back of the "horseshoe" strongback of the engineering hull). You can also see one of the pylon phasers.

Cap #4 could use a little brightening, but you can see the side-view of the forward terrace launcher.

Cap #5 and #6 give a view toward the rear keel launchers. Same for #11.

Cap #7 shows the pylon phasers in use. Same for #9.

#8 shows that any aft launcher above the rear shuttlebay would probably hit the light.

#10 shows the forward keel launcher in action.

#12 shows a pylon phaser and a view of whatever might be over the shuttlebay, though some of it is in shadow.

#13 and #14 (which are in backward order, sorry) show the launch point and torpedo of the aft keel launcher.

#15 shows a possible hole under the bottom of the shuttlebay, though the image at present is a bit too small to make it out all that well. I'll try to retake the pic and zoom appropriately.

Hope these help.

[ June 04, 2003, 12:15 AM: Message edited by: Guardian 2000 ]

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They must've carried a very symbolic amount of photons (courier/transport mode, not battle) in order for the magazines to be exhausted as quickly as they were?

They weren't rigged for battle, otherwise they would've filled it to the brim with hardpoints, right?

I remember one time hearing a figure on the photon compliment on the 1701-D (400 or so?), the Sovereign can't be much worse off, especially now that it has eight launchers?

Oh, and are there any plans of releasing a Nemesis-DVD with more content than the current version?

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quote:
Oh, and are there any plans of releasing a Nemesis-DVD with more content than the current version?
There hasnt been anything officially stated yet, as Berman isnt a fan of *bonus* or *deleted scenes* we should count our lucky blessings to get what we got.

Oh, I think it was mentioned in so other Nemesis link, but some WS Nemesis DVDs came with a *bonus* CD-Rom with some additional HQ desktop pictures and Romulan IPIX environments on it...

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Incidentally, that Insurrection launcher I mentioned is visible here:

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It's the thingy casting the big fat shadow.

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I take it that's a quantum launcher, due to the large size and seemingly hexagonal shape of the muzzle?
If not, why put two more photon launchers over the shuttlebay if it's just more of the same??

Oh, and Guardian 2000? Half of those screencaps are extremely vague, could you please draw some thin, red circles around the launchers in question?
For those of us who don't know where to look???

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quote:
Originally posted by Nim:
[QB] I take it that's a quantum launcher, due to the large size and seemingly hexagonal shape of the muzzle?
If not, why put two more photon launchers over the shuttlebay if it's just more of the same??

Why, for shooting down your own shuttles for fun, of course.
Silly question.


It is the best place for an aft Quanton launcher though. [Wink]

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Quanton? Are you implying a hybrid multi-launcher? :-)
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I actually meant "won-ton launcher"....for when they run out of torpedos.

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How about a tauntaun launcher? Would scare the hell out of them superstitious remans.
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a redshirt is crushed by tauntauns

"how sad it hadnt even been milked"

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Is there even internal room for all those launchers? Seems like if they were all where they were, a lot of stuff would get displaced and ammo stores would be limited per new launcher except for the original locations.
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For Nim and others, here are the Eaves drawings to serve as a guide:

http://www.st-v-sw.net/Ent-E_Weapons_Wideview.gif
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Ent-E_Weapons_Detail.gif

As you can see, Eaves intended:

2 forward dorsal saucer single-tube launchers
1 aft dorsal saucer dual-tube launcher
1 aft dorsal engineering hull single-tube launcher
1 aft ventral engineering hull single-tube launcher (below the shuttlebay)
1 aft ventral engineering hull dual-tube launcher (aft keel)
1 forward ventral engineering hull dual-tube launcher (forward keel)
1 forward ventral saucer single-tube quantum torpedo launcher

That's a total of 8 launchers, 4 forward and 4 aft, with the tube-count being 5 forward, 6 aft.

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Ah yes, now it makes more sense. I saw those schematics before, just didn't save them to the harddrive.
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Now, it's basically up to us to determine how many of these additions were actually made...

We have seen the new aft dorsal and only one of the forward dorsal launchers on the saucer, and it looks doubtful that the more-forward launcher was installed. There *is* at least one VFX shot where aft photorps are launched from the shuttlebay area on the secondary hull, but I haven't been able to freeze-frame it to determine where exactly. I think they never got around to adding the fore-fore launcher... We should be able to see SOMETHING when the Enterprise rams the Scimitar, which we should check. Mind you, that sequence was done in part with a physical model, so it may not be completely accurate.

There are multiple examples of the new pylon-mounted phasers being used, which is odd since theorhetically all of the aft arc is covered already by the existing saucer mounts, except for at point blank range. I wonder if there's a tech explanation for this. Lots of people equate longer strips with more power, and that's semi-reasonable... I personally am in favor of having two or more classes of phasers mounted a la DS9, with the new aft strips being of equal power as the main saucer mounts. The secondaries would be used for defensive fire, anti-fighter (smaller craft are more common these days), and so forth.

Finally, I see nothing wrong with them carrying and expending a full complement of torpedoes. The E-D carried 250 for two primary launchers... At full rate of fire, a Galaxy class ship could go through that in ten salvoes. The E-E was going nuts with the torpedoes for at least two rounds lasting several minutes each, only parts of which we saw. Even if the E-E was carrying 400 or more torpedoes, which is certainly possible, there is a good chance she burned through the lot.

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