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Because they'd still be (wait for it)...... PEOPLE!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: The self-replicating mines were, in my opinion, a huge mistake. They've essentially created a perpetual power-source, and that's a MASSIVE technological leap.
Er... wrong... the self-replicating mines were powered by the gases around the wormhole... just like bussard collectors.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: The self-replicating mines were, in my opinion, a huge mistake. They've essentially created a perpetual power-source, and that's a MASSIVE technological leap.
Er... wrong... the self-replicating mines were powered by the gases around the wormhole... just like bussard collectors.
I thought they were magic mines too, but this would make more sense. Where did you here about the wormhole gases? (not that wormhole gasses make much more sense...)
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Pat Cadigan Octavia Butler David Gerrold (he's come a long way since "Trouble With Tribbles") John Barnes & John Varley--I know Treknophyle already mentioned them, but they're worth mentioning twice.
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Getting back to the subject at hand, what does some new tech give you from a practical storytelling point of view? Right now Trek has devices that allow instantaneous transport across short distances, shooting acoss the galaxy like it was a big neighborhood, the ability to travel through time (sun slingshots, Guardian of Forever, chronometric particles, Q, and whatever other excuse they come with this week), intelligent machines, star bursting weapons, etc.
Most of these technologies just allow us to circumvent situations rather than actually generate them. For instance, time-dialation-free space travel means we don't have to deal with what it would be like for space travellers to have different perspectives on the passage of time than those who live on planets. Transporters are magic doors that allow us to step from our home to some other place without a voyage to get there.
What I want to see is a practical example of tech that CHANGES something about Star Trek other than the eye candy and technobabble aspect, and actually provides real opportunities for dramatic storytelling that can't be done with what's gone before. If it doesn't do that, it literally is just a facade.
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If you aren't familiar with their works, you're not a science-fiction fan, just a Trekkie.
I cant say that asimov ever blew me away with tech. Great stories though. Card and Niven are good for far-out tech ideas though. Cant get through Herbert's style....his narrative just dores'nt work for me, so I'm stucj with the Dune Movies.
Never read Barnes: what did he write?
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quote:Originally posted by Neutrino 123: I thought they were magic mines too, but this would make more sense. Where did you here about the wormhole gases? (not that wormhole gasses make much more sense...)
I haven't a clue now. That's what I remember from the episode, that the mines would collect gases from around the wormhole [of which those gases would also be naturally sucked towards the wormhole due to gravity]. These gases would be added to the fuel tank and the replicator reserve across the system.
The DS9 TM indicates that instead of a bussard collection setup, the system uses ZPE to manufacture new particles. I'm not certain if I'm right anymore.
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quote:Originally posted by J: I haven't a clue now. That's what I remember from the episode, that the mines would collect gases from around the wormhole [of which those gases would also be naturally sucked towards the wormhole due to gravity]. These gases would be added to the fuel tank and the replicator reserve across the system.
I don't recall hearing anything like that in the show at all, to be honest. It's going to require a pretty decent explanation to convince me.
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