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We've heard of Academy instructors, captains, and others joining the Maquis . . . I find it hard to believe that they'd all rally behind an old twit Lt. Cdr. version of Krull unless he was the best of the best of what was left.
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Mabye it's the other way around: they could have trained him to be the perfect starfleet mole and he was just a popular leader among the masses?
Good point about the rank diffrences though.
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Well, the only problem with thinking that Eddington named the ship is that Eddington actually read Les Mis�rables, so he would have known that "Valjean" is one word.
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Someone might have been brown-nosing him though.
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Hasn't anyone considered plain simple attrition? All the other more senior Starfleet Maquis (the only ones I can think of are Hudson and Chakotay, both Commanders) were gone from the scene by then. Tom Riker in prison, Ro Laren never heard of again. . . Pulling off a coup like the one Eddington did would likely elevate him to a position of seniority once he defected full-time.
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Who would serve with Chakotay though? Of a crew of 40, two were double agents and one was a serial killer.
With "commanders" like that, it's a small wonder the maquis were handily wiped out.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Who would serve with Chakotay though? Of a crew of 40, two were double agents and one was a serial killer.
Actually, there was:
1. Lon Suder the Serial Killer 2. Seska the Cardie double agent (who wasn't just a crewmember, she and Chak bumped uglies) 3. Tuvok the double double agent (a Starfleet officer and the mole for the 'Repression' dude) 4. Jonas the ready turncoat
Then we have:
1. Paris the disenchanted liar (albeit just a previous crewmember). 2. Chell the impudent weirdo fraidy-cat. 3. Hogan, forgotten in a cave and whose greatest contribution was as a corpse the Voth found. 4. Jackson the soup thief 5. Dalby the bitter misanthrope
Really, the only worthwhile Maquis crewman was Ayala, and his main contribution was sporting a really spiffy Dash Rendar outfit.
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The same way you forget about most of Voyager's cast.
Perscription medication and weekly therapy.
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Those don't help some people though... especially if you watch Enterprise. Then again... watching Enterprise makes me wish for Voyager again.
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Does the Maquis even have a command structure beyond individual cells with some person in command of it? If not Eddington and Hudson and Chakotay may have all been leaders of their cells, operating on their own, with no knowledge of what the others were doing (or sometimes limited joint ventures for the big targets). On the other hand, Eddington said the Maquis colonies planned to found an independent "state". That alone implies some sort of organized hierarchy.
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Hmmmm....mabye it started as several cells with semi-independant leaders but attrition (and Chakotay's gross incompetence) forced everyone that actually wanted to live under Eddington's command.
Sure, they (mostly) all died anyway, but that was after Eddington was captured.
I doubt Chakotay would have done better: either Starfleet, the Cardassians or Lon Sudor would have seen to that.
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I have no problem accepting the name of Chakotays ship to be Valjean, not Val Jean (after all, the bajoran guy probably didn't even know where the name originated when he named that file, just like most of us... ). Furthermore, the ship could have been the Zola before the Maquis bought it.
I've watched "Preemptive Strike" last night, wasn't able to identify the ships attacking the Galor besides the fact that they were Federation (so much for the bajoran strikefighter theory...). The name Valjean was probably just some internal thing to tell those ships apart, but it would be stupid to use the old ship names/registries/whatever to make them easily identifialbe by the Cardies or Starfleet for obvious reasons. (It would be a huge coincidence if the Maquis had accquistioned a vessel that was named Valjean. For a Federation vessel, "Zola" seems more fitting.)
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quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: I've watched "Preemptive Strike" last night, wasn't able to identify the ships attacking the Galor besides the fact that they were Federation (so much for the bajoran strikefighter theory...).
There is a long-winged ship with an ovoid main hull. It was later used as a Bajoran ship, exclusively to my knowledge, in DS9. It also appears in the DS9TM to that effect.
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Oops, sorry, I mean "Data wasn't able to identify them", which is from the dialogue. Stupid editing doesn't work any more. What I wanted to point out is: if Data says they are Federation vessels, their are either used by both the Bajorans and the Federation or the Bajorans just bought them after/during the occupation, which means there's a possibility that they are not of Bajoran origin at all. But while we're at it, did they just use the larger bajoran ships or the "subimpulse ships", too? If they did, they must have had warp drive (maybe the Bajorans just bought the barebone version?)
Back to topic, does anyone have a side/frontview of the image I posted (the "Peregrine" fighter)? I was just able to find the b/w schematic, but I guess the Magazine or another source published top/sideviews of the CGI-model. And the image definitely looks like a scan.
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