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Wasn't Edit Keeler the key figure in that timeline? Kirk himself was responsible for the change. To cause that timeline, the aliens woudl have to have prevented kirk from.. um... Hmm.. intersting hypothesis. if Germany Conquers America, the Federation, the enterprise, and Kirk would have been totally different and he probobly wouldn't have saved Ms. Keeler.. making something like a NAZI victory more likely..
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"The speech we heard Churchill give was made in 1943 at Harvard (text|.ram). Strangely, we later learn that the story takes place in 1944. I guess this is another minor timeline change. Perhaps Churchill and the Government are now in exile in the US."
Or it was just a recording of the speech being rebroadcast as a morale booster or something.
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Well, I watched it around noon today... that's why I refrained from reading this thread earlier this morning.
"Pazifisches Meer"? That should have been "Pazifischer Ozean"...
I suppose the SS officer's line about Hollywood was an intended pun, given the events that follow.
Oh, and where are the collaborators? They sure don't want us to believe that there wouldn't have been any, would they...?
So, the ASBs are giving the Germans superweapons built with the technology that is available at the time, and that was what lead to a German victory? Given that in OTL, the Germans did have "superweapons" built with the technology they had available... Africa and Moscow I can believe, since all it would have taken was a different strategy, basically, but the U.S.?
I'm still hoping that it's Daniels who dies and not Silik, I can't stand that guy...
Oh, and the preview for the next episode... Stukas?! Equipped with plasma guns or something? And they are of the B version (which they stopped building in the late spring of 1941), at most, instead of newer types like the D or G (the latter would have been more believable, given that in OTL it did carry two BK 3,7 antitank cannons under the wings, much like those ones from the promo did). But for intercepting the NX-01, I'd have chosen something else, like Ta 152s or Do 335s, instead of those sloooooooooooow Stukas...
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I suppose it's possible that the aliens (where is it said that they're the Na'kuhl, anyway? I haven't re-watched it yet) have not been influencing the war with technology, but with words or possibly with foreknowledge. They may have appeared to the Nazis using their last photon torpedo to nuke Britain, or something, and gotten Hitler's confidence that way. The general guy was frustrated with the alien promises, though all he'd been apparently seen are films of the cool stuff they could have. Also, Daniels said that to get home, the aliens had to use local tech to build their "conduit"... So what the aliens have on hand may be limited.
Finally, seeing as how the conduit is being buit on American soil, it's possible that there's something in the USA that's needed to complete it. Certain metals or easily-reached resources thereof, in combination with stuff that is under Nazi control; if it was uniquely available in the US then the aliens may have supported the Allies instead.
I'm still working out how stopping Vosk here and preventing his return, where he subsequently wipes out Daniels' future, will restore the timeline in the past... This reminds me too much of an absolutely horrid episode of seaQuest DSV, where the sub is catapulted into a far future where everyone's dead and the sole remaining boy and girl have to be made to fall in love for them to return.
Yup.
They didn't bother explaining WHY that had to be done in that show, and I'm worried we'll be given a "oh, we don't need to understand it" sort of explanation to the paradox here.
Thsi may be fun to watch, but right now I'm loooking forward to finishing it up so we can get to the Berman-less Trek fun that Coto's promising us!
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And another thing: Westmore did some amazing work on Daniels. Somehow, it reminded me of Pike's condition in "The Menagerie". With the eyes of Gary Mitchell.
I also noticed the German map of the US had 'California' on it. An unforgivable error if you have an audience known for it's nitpicking obsession 8)
quote:Originally posted by Harry: And another thing: Westmore did some amazing work on Daniels. Somehow, it reminded me of Pike's condition in "The Menagerie". With the eyes of Gary Mitchell.
I also noticed the German map of the US had 'California' on it. An unforgivable error if you have an audience known for it's nitpicking obsession 8)
Why? Should it have been spelt Kulif-or-niaa a la Arnold Schwartzenegger?
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When Archer was riding in the truck and the Nazi was talking about Hollywood, I thought they were somewhere near there because of the look of the land around them. Obviously they were in real life for production purposes, but California looks nothing like New York (or Georgia, if you remember watching the Dukes of Hazzard).
In that last scene with the alien looking over his "conduit", I immediately thought of the Irwin Allen series "Time Tunnel".
So where's what's-her-name, the woman that helped Archer? Is she in sickbay freaking out at Dr. Phlox?
"I'm still hoping that it's Daniels who dies and not Silik, I can't stand that guy..."
Why are you still hoping? Didn't you watch the entire episode?
Given that Trek has a history of allegedly dead people turning out not to be so in the end, it could very well be that the Big Reset Button by the end of the next episode also "fixes" Daniels, especially given that his condition was due to the whole damage to the timeline thing... Silik, OTOH, is in the exact same situation as Archer and his crew, and whatever happens to him where/when he is may very well be final.
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Unfortunately I just saw a picture of some MACOs in one of the Spiner eps, and there's a mention on startrek.com of some of the usual MACO stunt-performers appearing. Kill me now. . .
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There was nothing wrong with the MACOs. I mean how many people on these boards have been moaning for years about not seeing some sort of Starfleet 'marine'?
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