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I think he meant the scene where the Elves all wield thier swordie type weapons at the same time and take out the first row of baddies charging towards them. Thier swords kinda look like the Vulcan weapon.
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Interesting catch there, Harry, about the "new" Andorian ship. Single straight wing instead of the bent wing design we've seen, plus what resembles a vertical stabilizer on both the top and bottom centerline of the ship. I'd like to see a closer look, even if it does turn out to be a "kitbash".
"Tomed was mentioned in the TNG episodes 'The Neutral Zone' and 'The Pegasus'. Some kind of incident occured there between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire."
"The Tomed Incident" was mentioned. They didn't say what exactly a Tomed is. It wasn't until now that they specified that it's a place name.
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Tomed was also mentioned with a date associated with it 2311 IIRC
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I don't recall the "Tomed Incident" being mentioned in "The Pegasus".
I'm trying to recall the line from "The Neutral Zone". I recall Data saying it, and I'm sure it was something about the Tomed Incident causing a huge loss of lives on both sides. I dunno if it was also referred to as the last contact with the Romulans until 2364 (which is in some doubt anyway due to various timeline schenanigins). That was it, information wise.
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In TNG ("The Defector"?)we saw a Vulcan Ambassidor that was actually a Romulan agent and if she had been undiscovered, nobody would ever have known.. and in other episodes, we see Romulan agents pretending to be Vulcans. The recent episode of ENTERPRISE followes up on that, implying that there has been fairly active spying going on, for a long time, that was largely unknown. From that, it's not to much of a reach to expect a fair amount of cold-war style espionage and such, also.
Here's an interesting take on the Earth/Romulan war.. what if the Romulans decided to call the war off, so their covert operations where not jepordized, not due to tactical reasons and they just let us assume we won.
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"Data's Day". When the Romulan spy turned up on the viewscreen, had she had her forhead ridges added back in? It seems to be standard practise for undercover agents in the future to get they forehead and neck bits readded/removed the second their job is done.
Also, "Unification" showed Spock undercover on Romulas, and he didn't have the forehead ridges. Either there are some Romulans that don't have them, or Vulcans walking around the homeworld of the Romulan Empire isn't that uncommmon (or Romulans are just that stupid).
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quote: RIKER There's been no direct contact with the Romulans since the Tomed Incident.
And that's all there is to it. The 2311 date probably comes from a different line in the form of "It's been x years since we saw Romulans!".
Somewhere, Riker mentions that Tomed cost "thousands of federation lives".
Tomed being a place shoots down the only explanation of the incedent (in the novel Serpents among the Ruins) where Tomed is the name of the romulan flagship. Mabye Tomed is a star system in a strategic localle.
As to the "cold war" silence with the Romulans- there was still ongoing conflict (and presumebly contact) between the Klingons and Romulans during that time- the Khitomer Massacre was after Tomed (as would have been whatever klingon retaliation there must have been- honor and all that).
The "other matters" that kept the romulans busy have never been addressed (though building umteen-million gigantic Warbirds instead of a balanced fleet of more than three ship classes must have occuped considerable effort).
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Somewhere, Riker mentions that Tomed cost "thousands of federation lives".
Which, y'know, really doesn't strike me as all that much. Possibly why it's an "indident" and not an "attack" or "battle".
Although I suppose it's better than "the Tomed Occurance".
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Why were the Vulcans interested in Tomed then? Unless it has something of value... even after the formation of the Federation. Or is it just that it happens that the V'Lass gets into contact with Romulans there secretly and then many years later the Romulans and the Federation have a clash there?
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