Daniel Butler
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*sshhh* Ok just making sure.
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JernejL
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Okay, i don't see why is there such a fuss because of a ship was built on surface rather than a spacedock, especially since we seen that starfleet does build ships on surfaces and in space at the same time, for example: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Utopia_Planitia
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It might be be a big deal because, we as fandom, must spend the endless months before the movie comes out trying to figure out how exactly they got the ship from the surface to space.
Oh, and welcome to Flare,JernejL.
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Welcome to Flare... and ships are BUILT IN ORBIT!!!!
Just kidding... somewhat.
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Shik
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Your MOM was built in orbit.
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No... she was built by the devil... with a Catholic iron fist!
Only Federation starships are built in orbit.
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Teh PW
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quote:Originally posted by Mikey T: No... she was built by the devil... with a Catholic iron fist!
Only Federation starships are built in orbit.
using union underwear gnomes (local 1701 UUgW) i'm certain (since halflings would be too smart to fuck with all this...
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Because it seems inefficient and wasteful to have to find a way to hold those massive, massive engines up on those spindly little pylons until the ship is finished, and then make sure the spaceframe isn't damaged by the stresses of hauling all that mass out of the gravity well.
Much, much easier to just build the ship (or at least the most massive parts of it) in the microgravity to orbital space. I don't have any problem with components being built on the surface and then boosted to be assembled in orbit, but not the whole ship -- not as delicate as that design was.
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Yeah, I agree. something like the Defiant wouldn't bee to hard to construct on the surface though, or at least, it looks a lot sturdier than the Connie.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Because it seems inefficient and wasteful to have to find a way to hold those massive, massive engines up on those spindly little pylons until the ship is finished, and then make sure the spaceframe isn't damaged by the stresses of hauling all that mass out of the gravity well.
I really don't see a problem with the pylons holding up the nacelles - this is, remember, a ship made with extremely advanced engineering and construction techniques, composed of god-knows-what kind of superstrong materials, reinforced with all sorts of forcefield technologies, all of which are designed to operate in tandem and hold the ship together when it is moving faster than light, or being shot at, operating in inhospitable environments (close to planets, suns, stellar phenomena, black holes etc) etc etc. Hell, if the crew are having a bad day, it might be all of those things at once! :-)
I just don't buy the idea that the ship is flimsy or in some way lacking the strength to handle lifting off from a standing start on a planetary surface. It's not made out of balsa wood and rice paper and it's designed to operate in (and survive) far more dangerous environments and far worse stresses than taking off, so where does this idea come from that it's spindly or in some way not sturdy?
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Daniel Butler
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Exactly what I was going to say, cheese dip. You have my agreement and support.
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When the SIF and IDF are operating, yes. Which I don't expect whilst the vessel is still being welded together.
The warp coils are made in microgravity furnaces in orbit, so the alloys are perfectly blended and not stratified at all. They're the most massive parts of the ship. Why make them off the surface, land them, assemble the engine, attach them to the ship, and then use the impulse engines and thrusters (and probably tugs) to lift them back off the surface?
(And warp drive is non-Newtonian. You could cross the galaxy at a standstill, relatively speaking. )
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Daniel Butler
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quote:When the SIF and IDF are operating, yes. Which I don't expect whilst the vessel is still being welded together.
Why not? You don't think they're capable of projecting them from the construction facility?
When did they say on-screen the coils are made in orbit? Anyway they have anti-gravity, hence they could build the coils - or, say, the whole ship - in micro-gravity on the surface.
Did they ever say it's non-Newtonian, even, on-screen? They definitely have inertial dampers for *some* reason after all. Even if the *warp* drive is non-Newtonian, the impulse drive sure isn't. Hence the name. And the accelerations involved in getting up to full impulse, which is .25c, in any reasonable amount of time are still a hell of a lot more than 9.8m/s^2.
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