quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Maybe the "Refit" was a limited run design upgrade?
Maybe it was a mission-specific upgrade? Well we got the Lakota around the same time as other Excelsiors were being built which were the STVI variety... as seen in the shipyard scene in "Relativity".
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I still have my doubts, since I'm not even able to make out the 'NCC-' - and this is something that we all know that it has to be there. Besides, isn't the second number from the right not looking like a '4'?
The "NCC" is kinda blurry, but with squinting my eyes I make out what looks to me like "623." It may look different to you, but that's what I see.
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quote:I see what you mean about "incontrovertible proof," but really we already knew that. Okuda told us. (I asked him specifically about the Copernicus and he said he'd seen behind the scenes photos that showed the name & registry. I never saw any good reason to doubt him.) And we could always see that the Saratoga wasn't NCC-1864.
If, when you say "we," you really mean "you," then you're right. But speaking for myself, I didn't know anything about what Okuda said.
Well, I posted about it here at the time. Plus, it was in the Encyclopedia. If you leave aside the TOS stuff that is clearly conjectural and a few honest errors, the ship info presented there is very reliable, what with Okuda having had access to behind the scenes material, he and his coworkers in the art and VFX departments having created much of it. Did you think he just pulled the Copernicus' info out of his ass? Why would he do such a thing?
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: The "NCC" is kinda blurry, but with squinting my eyes I make out what looks to me like "623." It may look different to you, but that's what I see.
Believe me, I want to believe! Is there any change to get a hand on the picute that Mr. Okuda mentioned?
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quote:Believe me, I want to believe! Is there any change to get a hand on the picute that Mr. Okuda mentioned?
Any picutes, official or nonofficial picutes, would have to be cleared with the Paramount temporal copyright agency (yes they're that good), and after that, the eventual release of the picute would have to be cleared with the Okuda estate.
That being said, I also want to see it!
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After a few day of discussion I would like to present a shot summarize of TVH in HD.
USS Saratoga
Maybe for the first time ever we have confirmation that the registry of the Saratoge is indeed NCC-1867. Pictures are available, case closed.
Miranda in Spacedock
There is a Miranda in space dock, but without a registry unter the impulse drive (the Reliant has one here). The registry on the back end of the warp nacelle is not legible, the angle of view is to steep. Even if there will be ever a better mastered Blu Ray disc this number will most likely not be identified.
USS Yorktown
We see the captain of the Yorktown speaking, but there is no new data in the frame. Nevertheless, I would like to add a new peace of information, that has maybe not been discuessed before: Accourding to the background wall panels, the appearence is very Mirande/Constitution/Oberth-bridge-ish. There is no way to tell the class of the ship, but it seeams that the ship is state of the art. Since the Yorktown was mentioned in TOS 'Obsession' for the first time and I further assume that his is still the same ship, I think it is save to say that the ship has been refitted. Still no clue of the class, though, but a) if only Constituntion class ships have been refitted so far, the Yorktown is a constituton class starship or b) other classed have been refitted as well!
USS Shepard
The ship name is only mentiond on audio, but it is there.
Oberth in space dock
The registry is now clearer then ever, but (at least to me) still not legible. Some people here in this forum think that the screencap support the NCC-623-theory. I have high hopes that a better (remastered) version of the movie will reveal the mistery of the ship's registry.
First warp nacelle
Only the port warp nacelle can be seen in one picture and it can be ruled out that this one is connected to a Mirande class starship. But there is no evidence that this one belongs to a Constitution class starship.
Second warp nacelle
There is another (starboard) warp nacelle, this time with a pylon attached to it. This looks like a constitution class to me, but again, no one can tell. Further, there is indeed a registry on the back tail of the warp nacelle, again, with a too steep angle to identify.
Star Fleet Command
Maybe the greatest disappointment so far: For the first time ever we have the opportunity to visis the heard of Starfleet. And with the HD screencaps we can read all the stuff that is displayed on the many displays. But it seeams that there is no information at all. On some star charts you can see abstract symbols for ships, but they are labled with ... only NCC! No number is given!
Conclusion:
For me, TVH was the best candidate for finding new bits and pieces, but so far no luck...
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So, I'm the only one to whom the Saratoga looks more like NCC-1937 than NCC-1867? It seems like the dimples are on the wrong sides of the digits to be the latter? Maybe it's just the one frame that's been capped, though; has anyone viewed the Blu-ray for themselves?
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Maybe it's just the one frame that's been capped, though; has anyone viewed the Blu-ray for themselves?
I did, but while watching, 1937 would not came to my mind. I have to admit that 8 and 9 and 3 and 6 are very easy to mix up, but at least from my point of view there are no indications for a 9 or a 3.
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quote:Did you think he just pulled the Copernicus' info out of his ass? Why would he do such a thing?
I neither said nor implied that Okuda pulled the info out of his ass. I said that we now have proof that the ship models in the movies were relabeled. I never said that it wasn't done, only that we didn't have physical proof of it until now. Don't get so defensive.
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: So, I'm the only one to whom the Saratoga looks more like NCC-1937 than NCC-1867? It seems like the dimples are on the wrong sides of the digits to be the latter? ...
Really? That one looks very much like an 8 to me. It's really only that troublesome third digit in the HD cap that I'm having trouble reading...
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