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Alright, this is a subject I've been thinking out for a while. First, the list of Constitutions (note, this is according to my theories on the Constitution class)
USS Constitution NX-9xx USS Eagle NCC-956 USS Constellation NCC-1071 USS Republic NCC-1371 USS Intrepid NCC-1631 USS Farragut NCC-1647 USS Potemkin NCC-1657 USS Excalibur NCC-1664 USS Exeter NCC-1672 USS Essex NCC-1697 USS Constitution NCC-1700 USS Enterprise NCC-1701 USS Hood NCC-1703 USS Lexington NCC-1709 USS Kongo NCC-1710 USS Yorktown NCC-1717/USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A USS Defiant NCC-1764 USS Endeavour NCC-1895
Alright, now that is 18 Constitutions. The line of Kirk's from "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" says there are only 12 Constitutions as of 2266. With the exception of USS Endeavour, all of the Constitution's listed were in service in 2266. That means there are 17 Constitutions. Now, if you support the USS Constitution NX-9xx theory, then the Constitution would have been destroyed by now, that leaves 16 Constitutions. The first to bite the dust on the show is USS Constellation, a year later from Kirk's quote in 2267. That means, according to the list, 16 Constitution class starships are in service in 2266. BUT, Kirk says there are only 12. My question is, what's with the extra 4?
Well, it is possible that USS Defiant NCC-1764 wasn't launched quite yet, which would take off another Constitution. This still leaves 3 more extras.
It is possible those 3 extras were the USS Eagle, USS Constellation, and USS Republic, which, as some theorize, started off as other classes and were converted to Constitution. It is possible, that in 2265 or 2266, the Constellation, Republic and Eagle were in refit. When the Constellation was released from refit, she didn't last very long, and was destroyed by the Planet Killer. This would also explain why the Eagle seems to have survived so long. Also, Kirk never said when he served on the Republic that it was Constitution class. This was an assumption by the Encyclopedia.
Now, here are the Constitution's in service in 2266:
IN SERVICE: USS Intrepid NCC-1631 USS Farragut NCC-1647 USS Potemkin NCC-1657 USS Excalibur NCC-1664 USS Exeter NCC-1672 USS Essex NCC-1697 USS Constitution NCC-1700 USS Enterprise NCC-1701 USS Hood NCC-1703 USS Lexington NCC-1709 USS Kongo NCC-1710 USS Yorktown NCC-1717
DESTROYED: USS Constitution NX-16xx
UNDER CONVERSION: USS Eagle NCC-956, formerly xxxxx class USS Constellation NCC-1017, formerly xxxxx class USS Republic NCC-1371, formerly xxxxx class
UNDER CONSTRUCTION: USS Defiant NCC-1764 USS Endeavour NCC-1895
Fits, doesn't it?
Any comments? This took me about 20 minutes to think out, so there might be some mistakes
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The Making of Star Trek by Stephen Whitfield gives the names of fourteen starships that were Constitution Class starships. USS Constellation USS Constituton Prototype ship USS Enterprise USS Excalibur USS Exeter USS Farrugut USS Hood USS Intrepid USS Kongo USS Lexington USS Potemkin USS Republic USS Valiant USS Yorktown
Additional, the book says that "Enterprise-type" (Constitution Class) ships were operational 40 years before the series began, the USS Farrugut and the USS Valiant were destroyed by the beginning of the series, and the USS Constitution is the prototype. Note: I believe the USS Valiant is not the USS Valiant in "A Taste of Armageddon". This unknown USS Valiant came into service after 2217 and is subsequently lost before 2267.
Based on this, when Capt. Kirk tells the Air Force pilot that there are 12 ships of the Enterprise type in 2267, he is thinking- USS Constellation USS Constitution USS Enterprise USS Excalibur USS Exeter USS Hood USS Intrepid USS Kongo USS Lexington USS Potemkin USS Republic USS Yorktown
In 2268, the USS Defiant is introduced. (The crew had no identifying ship emblem on their uniforms.)
The other ships USS Eagle USS Enterprise USS Endeavor USS Essex were introduced after 2268.
Constitution Class ships were being built in the year 2286. There is an unmarked ship of this class in the Spacedock ("The Voyage Home").
Personnally, I don't accept that the USS Enterprise A is a refit of the USS Yorktown. I see her as a new ship. (I don't like the idea of the USS Enterprise A as a Constitution Class ship. I understand that the people who did the fourth movie wanted to save money, but couldn't they have done a new class of ship for the Ent-A?)
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Things like dedication plaques (some props) from TOS can't always be taken as canon. Besides, that could refer to the type (i.e. car,truck) of ship and not the name of the ship class.
After 20 years, Gene and crew did a lot of rethinking (for TNG) of what was estab. in TOS.
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A while back I figured out the twelve Constitutions that were in service at the time of "Tommorow Is Yesterday". I used the actual stardates rather than the episode order. I forget which ones I came up with, though...
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Kirk actually said that there were 'only a dozen like her in the fleet'. Now, a dozen is twelve but it's often used to mean 'about twleve' and the 'like her' bit could mean that the Enterprise wasn't included in the dozen. So that's between say 11 and 14 in service at that time.
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Well, most people who say "a dozen", AFAIK, mean exactly twelve. Otherwise it would be "about a dozen". (Either that, or I've been misinterpreting people for years now...)
I figure the twelve are Eagle, Constellation, Intrepid, Potemkin, Excalibur, Exeter, Constitution (1700) , Hood, Lexington, Kongo, Yorktown, and Defiant. Constitution (9xx), Republic, Farragut, and Essex were already destroyed. Endeavour hadn't been launched yet.
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I think the Farragut is also on the Okudagram. Can't remember though. Oh, and would anyone happen to have a screen capture of the elusive Star Trek VI Okudagram?
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Yes, but we all agree that somethings that Pramount considers canon are illogical. (i.e. length of Defiant class.)
I was referring to Hobbes two posts above me when he mentioned the ded. plaque fot the Enterprise said "Starship class" when we all know it's a Constitution class. Frank, what you said then means you believe the Enterprise was not a Constitution! I know you don't think that.
I meant the technology almost totally changed between shows.
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As far as I know the following are the ships from the two Okudagrams in ST VI:
The Ahwahnee, Challenger, Eagle, Endeavour, Potemkin, Scovil, and Springfield are all part of the Operation: Retrieve plan.
The Ahwahnee, Challenger, Constellation, Emden, Endeavour, Helin, Kongo, Korolev, Lantree, Oberth, Republic, and Whorfin (and possibly a couple others) are all shown on a mission assignment list on the Enterprise in Star Trek VI.
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The Star Trek Concordance by Bjo Trimble has a full list of starships mentioned in the movie. USS Ahwahnee USS Challenger USS Constellation USS Eagle USS Emden USS Endeavor USS Helin USS John Muir USS Kongo USS Korolev USS Lantree USS Oberth USS Potemkin USS Republic USS Scovil USS Springfield USS Whorfin
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