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Sorry if i misspelled the plural to Paradox. Anyway, I love to study different Temporal collisions in Star Trek, one of my favorites is the whole First Contact paradox. Riker tells Cochran the saying "Don't be a great man just be a man, and let history make its own judgements". Riker got this saying from Cochran, who got it from Riker when Riker traveled back to 2063. Where did the phrase originate?
Please post any other paradoxes, im working on filling in a list of every paradox in Star Trek.
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"Parallax" and "Time and Again", Voyager's second and third episodes, respectively, rack quite high on the Paradox List.
------------------ Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue")
"Parallax": Crew enters anomaly to save distressed ship on event horizon. Ship was Voyager because they were trapped when they responded to their own distress call. B'Elanna and Janeway implement plan and get ship out.
"Time and Again": Janeway and Paris sucked back in time one day when ship investigates weird shockwave caused by massive explosion on nearby planet. Janeway and Paris fiddle aeround a little, but it's eventually the rescue attempt by Torres, Chakotay, Tuvok, etc. that sets off this explosion. Janeway stops rescue attempt in the past and nothing ever happens.
------------------ Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue")
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Thanks for the input.... Another paradox is the episode "Relativity" in the entire episode was a paradox because on 8 occasions, effect preceded cause (my favorite paradox type). They stopped the cause so the effect shouldnt of happened, then how did they know to stop the cause?
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Gray, out of the near 110+ episodes of Voyager, only 14 of them involved time travel. I would love it if the did it more often... i love time travel. As for Next Generation, i only count 7 actuall time travel events. That excludes alt. timelines. As for DS9, I think there was only a few...
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I disagree, Time travel is second only to 'unknown spatial anomolies'. Time travel shouldn't be made that easy to do. I dont think time travel should happen if you just throw a few 'chroniton particles' into space...
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I like time travel. But it always seems to me to come out to a pre-destination paradox in my opinion or a headache to figure out. After reading Bernd's pages on it the latter happened.
You go back in time to change something. You succeed. From that point history that event you changed will have never happened. You therefore have no reason to go back in time. If you never went back in time, then the original timeline would occur and you would then end up going back in time.
I pretty much have to agree with Captain Janeway on this one. They make for nice stories. But analyzing it is almost pointless.
------------------ 7 of 9 alarm clock: "Wake up. Resistance is futile." Dilbert: "I wonder if I could ever date a woman like Jeri Ryan." 7 of 9 alarm clock: "That too is futile." Federation Starship Datalink - Now with a pop-up on every page...damn you Tripod!
What's this? A thread on temporal paradoxes? And I wasn't invited? The Master of All Time wasn't invited?!?! And chronitons are being dumped on?!?!
Fine, I'll leave you all to your little debate. I have far more important temporal mechanics problems to deal with anyway, such as eradicating Daylight Savings Time and programming a VCR clock.
*End just kidding mode*
------------------ "Captain! I must protest! I am NOT my neighbour's dog!"
------------------ Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue")
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Wes: Good point about the Cochrane quote. I should include it in my huge compilation of time travel paradoxes. We already speculated if the term "Warp core" might have originated from a paradox.
BTW: In my article I'm talking about "predestination", and not of a "predestination paradox". This is because if we assume that everything is predestined, there is a time loop (the past influences the future and vice versa) but a grandfather paradox, for instance, is prevented. This is a matter of definition, of course, you might also say that predestination itself is a paradox, another kind than the grandfather paradox.
Predestination occurs in the following episodes: TOS: "Assignment Earth" (mainly consistent) TNG: "Time's Arrow" (mainly consistent) DS9: "Children of Time" (totally inconsistent) VOY: "Parallax" (the black hole featured here is nonsense, but the time travel is somewhat consistent) VOY: "Time and Again" (largely inconsistent)
I may have missed a couple of episodes, but in most time travels the past was definitely changed and therefore nothing was predestined.
------------------ "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness" Ex Astris Scientia
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What about Star Trek 4? You see the window blown out at Starfleet Command just after they get Kirk's message, then later it's revealed to be the wake of the crashing BoP that's caused the turbulence. . ?
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