Here's a thought: maybe Laz and Markus would like to collaborate on a new idea together? Or possibly, given the outstanding nature of both designs, you could work together to fuse them and create something totally new and different?

*I* Said wouldn't it be cool to have that as the Bradbury. Its not a great leap to think that the Bradbury is somewhere between the Galaxy and the Intrepid...

I'm not the only one to think this - Laz has also done a long time ago - some nice diagrams of his version of the Bradbury - remember... there is no known bradbury people...

Andrew

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"What a wonderful and amazing scheme have we here of the magnificent vastness of the Universe! So many Suns, so many Earths...!" - Christian Huygens, New Conjectures Concerning the Planetary Worlds, Their Inhabitants and Productions (ca 1670)

Anyway. Rant over.
AFAIK, the lowdown on the Bradbury is that it is an Intrepid prototype... although I don't think this is canon. So it could be Laz's design, Markus's design, or even the study model in The Art of Star Trek! So because we have not seen it and know very little about the ship other than that it exists, practically anything goes... Like I said, IDIC - infinite diversity in infinite combinations.

BTW - as kitbashes go, it's a hell of a lot better than the ones in the DS9 tech manual!

Kudos to our designers! Keep it up...

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"Replicate some marmalade, Commander - helm control is toast!"

Thanks for the compliments. Just once more for the record, my model (USS Mareja) was never supposed to be the Bradbury, nor was it influenced by Laz's design. It's straight-up Rick Sternbach's Intrepid mated with Andy Probert's nacelles. The only thing I can take credit for is the pylon shape, and maybe the paint job. To me, it's still just an Intrepid-class.

Laz, I understand where you're coming from, so apology accepted, and no hard feelings. I, too, have had my material stolen and used without credit or permission so I know what it feels like. I know you're just watching out for yourself, rightfully so, and I can't blame you for that.

The web is a tough environment. It gives all of us a fair shot at sharing our work with the general public, but it also makes it so easy for others to take what we've made and claim it as their own. It's worth more to me to share what I've done and make others happy, than to just hide it and protect it where it's sure to do no one any good. The best I can hope for is that my designs will become well known enough that, even if someone steals them, people will still recognize them as mine.

The tough thing about kitbashes, is that given enough time and enough people working on them, duplicate designs are unavoidable. It becomes hard to tell what is property theft, and what is an honest coincidence. The funny thing is, USS Mareja is my only 'cut and paste kitbash', something I usually avoid. All my other kitbash models are far more original. I feel awkward thinking that this is the one design you know me by. I'd be happy to talk about this some more if anyone wants. Just start a new topic over on the Creativity forum.

I have it a little easier than you, Laz, and other digital artists, in that if anyone steals my photos, I can still pull out the physical model and say, "See? My idea." With purely digital images, once it's gone, it's tough to get back. I really hope this hasn't discouraged you too much. You have a lot of talent, and I hope you keep designing.

Sorry about continuing the drift, but this is a pretty important point Laz has brought up. Back on topic, like Timo and Sol System, I also think of the Bradbury as a completely radical and new ship, perhaps Lance Nutter's awesome wild looking design over at Bernd's ASDB site.

Andrew, thanks for your support. It's people like you who make me feel what I'm doing is worthwhile. Go ahead and ignore my 'backstory' and make up your own. As Starbuck reminds us, IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. That's what Star Trek is really about, where we can share and inspire each other's creativity and imagination.

PopMaze, thanks! I didn't know it draws the smiles automatically. I thought I had to import a file or something. This is cool. Maybe the open mouth is ":" and "D"?

And thanks for your help as well. The open mouth is with the "D"

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Bashir: "'In the time of war the law falls silent.' Cicero. Have we become a 24th-century Rome, driven by the fact that Caesar can do no wrong?!"
-Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges

On the subject of kitbashes, my Bradbury was never a kitbash, while your model is - and I have to say it's one of the better Intrepid kitbashes around. As you said in the "Defense of Kitbashes" thread, there's nothing wrong with kitbashes as long as they look feasable. There's an Intrepid sister class mentioned in tech fandom called the Kyuga, and if I hadn't already come up with my own design for it, I would have nominated your model for it.

On the subject of the Bradbury itself, I've always considered it not only an intermediate step between the Galaxy and Intrepid, but a failed class. Only the prototype was built, and the rest of the class was never built because the Intrepid design replaced it.

OK firstly, Starbuck, I don't know if your rant was aimed at me , because my latest response in this thread was not aimed at you but in general to the thread... it seems that the thread has veered from it original purpose - just to get others gawking at Markus' nice model and seeing if I was crazy or not!?!

basically everyone, "In my universe - I'd like to something like Markus' ship - even if it wasn't a Bradbury

All I can say Laz - your designs inspired me to TRY my own - and Markus - your model work is really really good - I'm just a beginner modeller - so you give me something to aim for.

What colour do you use for the federation hull? I think my Voyager that I'm in the middle of is too dark...

and its a matte isn't it?

Andrew

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"What a wonderful and amazing scheme have we here of the magnificent vastness of the Universe! So many Suns, so many Earths...!" - Christian Huygens, New Conjectures Concerning the Planetary Worlds, Their Inhabitants and Productions (ca 1670)