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Just thought you might want to know (if you didn't already) that the Enterprise-D was at the Utopia Planitia Fleetyards in the Voyager episode 'Relativity.' http://members.aol.com/bobatrek2/shipyard1.jpg
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That means its not neccessarily from the time of "Relativity"
BUT! The Modifications to the hull seen in Generations are on the ship... so it has to be sometime between All Good Things... and Generations.
Didn't the episode also have very different space stations in the background!?! not the 'spacedock'...
Also why can't they show us in these calendars a nice crisp view of a Sabre/Steamrunner/Norway!?!
And... that second pic link up there, look to the bottom right 'space assembly' looks like there is a constitution refit in there... you can clearly see the saucer type, but the nacelle position is a bit difficult to make out. Seeing as it is CGI though, I assume its of a Miranda... I wonder if they could reuse the CGI they did of the Soyuz and Ambassador from the colour version of the encyclopaedia!?!
There is also a Sabre in the first pic, on the bottom right...
Andrew
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I was the one who brought up the content of the calendar. There are no modifications to the E-D in the pic, so it could be any time. Also, I don't think the Ambassador or Soyuz was ever CGIed. And yes, it's not from the episode, but it's still most likely UP, given a red planet, but the big spacedocks still don't measure up with the episode.
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We should be happy this scene wasn't in the actual episode. Not only does it place a Galaxy, an Akira and an apparent Steamrunner in identical-looking "box" docks, screwing up the relative sizes of these vessels royally. It also places that Sabre in a McKinley-style "spider" dock, making it as big as a Galaxy!
IIRC, the actual "Relativity" scenes did show one Galaxy under repairs or construction, in a McKinley-style dock, but so far away that we couldn't see the registry.
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Yes, that is the 'touched up' Enterprise D... look at the boxes around the lifeboat hatches... that is the dead give away for the Generations version.
Yes, the stations maybe scaleable - otherwise the E-B and the Voyager and the Galaxy are all the same size...
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Ahhh, but there was plenty of space in that spacedock when the E was in it. And of course the E-B was in it not to mention a Galaxy in the Calendar...
Andrew
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Well, IMHO the spacedock structures (both spider & lattice) are made of relatively simple parts - and therefore are more likely to be scaleable than, say, a Klingon BoP... :-D
Actually, I think the bigger problem here is:
"How many Ournal Class spacedocks are there in the Terran System??"
We know there was one in orbit of Earth in the time of ST3-ST6, at least. We were not given the opportunity to see it in Generations, during the launch of the Ent-B, but it prolly still was there.
We saw pretty much most of the UP vista in "Relativity," so we can safely assume there were none there in 2371 - if this calendar pic is from before then, we could assume they moved the one from Earth orbit to Mars orbit...
My point is, there appears to be a second Ournal spacedock behind the prominent one...! The sections seem to match the one from the movies better than the newly-seen ones in the Voyager episode...
Who knows how old the Ournals are...? Who knows what they do with or plan on doing with them after 100 or 150 years...?
Oh, BTW - the Ent-D here IMNSVHO ^_^ could be from any time, later in the series - I believe that VFX changes do not necessarily date a ship's presence. One example, off the top of my head, could be the "Flashback" Excelsior model - it had alternating blue-glowing / dark-black nacelles, but its date remained, even though the glowing ones are from the DS9-era... ...and the Cardie Galor Class from "The Voyager Conspiracy" was the modern CGI one from "Sacrifice of Angels," not the one which would have been seen in "Caretaker" - a physical studio model... :-D
Damn - I just can not stop myself from getting into 'rant mode' in forums... Even when no one disagrees with me... Though there always seems to be someone who does... :-D
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The real question is, what the smeg is an "Ournal Class spacedock"? :-)
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