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Is the 'Ournal' spacedock in the lineage of the 'Moo-Moo Pie' Spacedock?
(Note 'Moo-Moo Pie' is a completely arbitrary designation for the spacedock. As is 'Ournal' For the sake of understanding, please designate when something is Fandom. IE: Made Up.)
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The mushroom spacedocks from the Calendar are strange - the 'double mushrooms' are in that position in Relativity... The Akira and Galaxy ships are in the EXACT same positions - but they've taken out the 'double mushrooms' and put in two single mushrooms!
Why!?!
The first pic up there has the E-D but an exact similar scene in Relativity has the same ships except where the E-D is there is that Excelsior being built... that one with the Resgistry everyone tries to work out. 4xx11 or whatever.
Andrew
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I think that the Calendar picture should be ignored if possible, because of the way it complicates things...
As for the boxy wireframe docks, I think there are two distinct types nowadays, with a third relegated to the dusty shelves of historical archives:
1) The no longer used design of ST:TMP and ST2, with swinging working lights, anchoring beams, gangways and whatnot and with a vertical wall three "squares" high.
2) A CGI version of the "Generations" dock, which was originally a physical model made by removing the bells and whistles from the ST:TMP model, removing one layer of "squares" from the vertical walls to create a lower and thus wider-looking structure, and adding the bulky docking structure at the top and the pavilion-like structure on the port side wall.
3) A CGI version which reinstates the "three-square" vertical wall but also incorporates the bulky docking and pavilion structures of the "Generations" dock.
There is nothing to say that versions 2 and 3 have to be of the same width and just different height. Version 3 could be significantly smaller than version 2 - we only see Excelsiors and Mirandas in version 3 in the real UP scenes, while Akiras and Steamrunners are in version 2 box docks and Galaxies only in McKinley-style spider docks.
Only the noncanon Calendar shots place Galaxies in version 3 (and Sabres in the spider dock)...
Then again, I think the Voyager herself was in a version 2 dock and almost filled it, which IMHO was an absurd scene anyway - the window rows in the pavilion structure clearly indicated a scale completely different from that of the starship!
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::Enjoys the pretty pictures without analyzing every detail::
Which is really the whole point, it's not meant to stand up to the intense criticism or issues of canon. Besides, this is the Voyager department, do you really think they concern themselves with such trivial issues as continuity and canon?
I was looking at the pics from the calendar I have on my computer and I noticed if you put 2 of the images together they form one large image. If you put the one with the E-D, Akira, and Saber and line it up with the one with the Galaxy, Akira, and spacedock. How many UP scenes in the calendar are there? So far I know of 3, the two mentioned, and the one with the Galaxy in drydock. I think there's at least another, since the spacedock image shows part of a drydock station.
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Hobbes, there are only two UP pics in the calendar. The cover and the center. Black Knight just divided up the center pic into two jpeg images so they wouldn't be so large.
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Really... I guess that makes sense. I really need to find that calendar.
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Well reguarding continuity - I was just reading "The Continuing Mission" and it was quoted by someone - Robert Justman or Michael Piller - that Star Trek is not a show that people put on in the background. It is intensely watched and has a clever audience who NOTICE these things. I think it shows something about the show and its viewership - when such details are adhered to AND when annoyingly overlooked. For the producers to say - oh well happily override existing continuity for the sake of a story - that is them sticking a big old thumb in the viewers eyes, and basically saying that they are now making Trek to be shown as 'background TV' not as an intesily followed work.
Andrew
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Well, it actually wasn't me who divided up the images. I think they were at http://www.lcarscom.net/ I know these came from the calendar. But I was just thinking of the possibility that they (as 3d artists) wouldn't neccessarily redo the entire scene. But, I guess the really big spacedocks weren't at Relativity. So this is definately non-cannon. The ships are, but not the scene.
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I believe continuity is an extremely important factor. In fact, I recall reading somewhere that it's one of things Gene Roddenberry was proud of most. I was making a sarcastic remark towards the Voyager department (Braga) view on it.
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By the way, the class name "Ournal" for the mushroom-type Spacedock is not completely fandom-created.
It also appears in the 1996 Star Trek Space Ships calendar (April) with the designation given as "Ournal Class" and even a registry of NCC-S-1.
The text also states that there are a total of 12 of them. I should point out that I have the German edition of the calendar. An English version might be different. Perhaps Bernd knows something about it?
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That's pretty cool, I mean the registry system. Maybe different starbases have a different letter, so the "office building" type might be NCC-D-7 or whatever. Too bad its all non-canon...
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Hey, there is one tidbit that is at least semi-canon: the shuttlecraft attached to space station K-7 in "Trials and Tribble-ations" was labeled NCC-K-7, even though this was of course far too tiny to see in the episode itself. Since shuttles so far have always been labeled with the registry of their mothership, this would indicate that the station's registry in its entirety was NCC-K-7. How fortunate that this agrees with the NCC-S-1 theory...
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