I don't think it's a class of Borg ship, but instead formly the Cube that rescued Hugh. Once Hugh's individuality infected the rest of the drones on that Cube it was chaos. Since a Cube is run completely by the collective mind of the Borg onboard it's shape was distorted reflected the state of mind the Borg were in.
The design of the rouge vessel was transferred to the rest of the collective no doubt which is how it would be on an Okudagram in another Cube.
Well that's just my theory at least.
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That wouldn't explain why the ship looked so clean and smooth, (If it was the product of chaotic randomness, the surface should have been torn and chaotic too, no?) or why such a nondesign would be adopted as a mine, or mine delivery system.
I think the more interesting question is, assuming that the ship was indeed designed by the Borg to fight and, perhaps, to blow things up really nicely, what was it doing in the Alpha Quadrant to begin with? One suspects things might have been very nasty for the UFP if Hugh hadn't spoiled their plans.
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I too, think that the Rogue Borg Ship was supposed to depict that these Borg were not 'ordered' like the rest of them... The ship would be smooth-ish... it wasn't entirely smooth - since it still has to meet some ??certain borg?? ship specifications...
Maybe the borg that got chopped off from the collective could only remember how to build a specific design... or maybe that this ship was originally a cube - but as per the 'ship self repair' as seen in "Q Who" it wasn't repaired to a cube shape but a whole lot of borg doing different things at once created that monstrosity...
OR maybe the design is another shape used by the collective for different purposes... the Decent Ship was very large, so it might have had a different use to the 'warhead' ship we saw an Okudagram of in "Scorpion"
Andrew
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Curiously, the ship that rescued Hugh was a rather small cube-shaped vessel, at least per Data's description (didn't he say it was similar in mass to Hugh's original scoutship?). I wonder how this small cube could have been used to construct the relatively large complexly shaped vessel...
Given how Borg vessels in general tend to be cluttered on the outside, a smooth exterior would indeed seem like the work of a deranged mind. Perhaps the Borg in "Scorpion" were studying the design simply because it was one of the rare glimpses to unconventional thinking that the Collective had ever enjoyed, and unconventional thinking was necessary for saving them from the 8472.
The recent "Tactical cube" also has a rather smooth exterior. Given its wimpy weaponry (it fared even worse against the Voyager than the usual spheres!), I wonder if "Tactical" is supposed to be interpreted as "weaker than the usual Strategic"?
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Jeez, do you know what would be nice? A simple little comparison of all the Borg ships for reference....You know, side profiles (can you say side with those ships?) all compared to each other with relative lengths....does anyone have something like that?
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As of the first part of Unimatrix Zero, I was under the impression that the Borg were intentionally holding back in order to lure Janeway and company onboard.
I'm not sure that idea holds up after seeing the second half, though. In fact, I'm rather sure it doesn't.
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Well seeing as the "Hugh scoutship" only seemed to have about 5 drones... the ship the came to 'save' the downed vessel was probably not much bigger. I guess they went back to a 'mothership' and thus infected the rest of the crew from then on.
Not having scene UM0 1 and 2... this is just pure speculation... but maybe Unimatrix Zero was a result of Hugh's individuality being inflicted on the collective?? Before the 'Descent' Borg were chopped off from the rest of the collective.
Andrew
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Somehow I would prefer if, in case this UMZ thing eventually does shatter the entire Collective, it wasn't the result of something done by us puny humans. The Borg used to be big. To have them dismantled because one Drone had the hots for Geordi LaForge seems a bit too demeaning.
The UMZ could instead be something arising from the very structure and history of the Collective itself. The Borg being their own undoing would be much "grander" than them falling because of human influence...
These are the official lengths: Voyager: 344.4m Ent-D: 641 or 642m, depending on source. DS9: 1 mile in diameter, I believe.
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Unimatrix 0 has apparently been around for at least twenty years or so, seeing as Seven was in it for eighteen. I would have to guess it's been around quite a bit longer than that, even.
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C'mon, there must be someone other than me who has the lengths memorized by now....here goes...
1) TNG cube: about 2km on a side (VFX) 2) VOY cube from "Dark Frontier": 28 cubic kilometers in volume (dialogue), which works out to just over 3km on a side. 3) FC cube: 2 miles or 3.2km on a side according to Cinefex magazine.
Furthermore, the latest issue of ST Magazine contains an article on Voyager VFX in which one of the production crew quotes the size of a Voyager cube (specifically the one where the Delta Flyer gets trapped with Kim inside, don't remember the name of the episode) as 5km on a side. This reaffirms an online post by Rick Sternbach in which he described how he gave the writers rough crew sizes for 5,10, and 15 (!) km cubes. So apparently, these are the "official" sizes in use.
I don't believe that we've ever seen 10 or 15km cubes - Rick says he based these numbers on some TNG VFX shots, but such a size would've been clearly impossible for the TNG cube.
Now, my questions are
1) whether or not we should treat the 3 and 5km Voyager cubes as the same one - I'm not sure if the various Voyager cube models are any different (leaving out the armored tactical cube).
2) whether a typical Voyager cube is any different from the FC cube?
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Perhaps the Borg in "Scorpion" were studying the design simply because it was one of the rare glimpses to unconventional thinking that the Collective had ever enjoyed, and unconventional thinking was necessary for saving them from the 8472.
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