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I forgot about this thread. About that Federation Recognition Chart... I remember staring at it for a while at my friends and the Ariandne class was always quite bizzare... I think that was the spelling Its the second from the top left on the chart: http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/images/starship-recognition.jpg
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The "Ariadne" was supposed to be a fleet carrier. It was based on the wedge shaped "Enterprise" design created by Ralph McQuarrie for ST:TMP/ST:Phase2 -
I don't remember who made them but, I have a set of prints (MasterCom Data Center, I believe) of the "Enterprise Evolution" that includes the Ariadne.
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you're thinking of the Ariel, the McQuarriesque shuttlecarrier pictured in several SotSF works..
the Ariadne was supposed to be something completely different, a vessel shaped like a horizontal cylinder pictured on the Fed Recognition Chart from the SotSF people
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It aways reminded me of Cousteau's "wingship" Alcyone.
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Well I can pretty much guess it's a vertical cylinder by looking at the chart - but is there anymore information/clarity for this ship!?! It's WAY too wierd!
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Ah yes, that - thing... Ariel is the name of the McQuarrie derived design later on that sheet. I have never seen anything else on the Ariadne (not accounting for the WWII British minelayer, of course).
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Under the title "Misc. TOS stuff", what is the story behind the Kirov class (the "stretched Miranda" above and slightly to the left of Ariel in that chart? Is it something dreamed up for this recognition chart only, or are there specs and histories elsewhere?
From the side view, it's obvious the ship has the huge flat saucer of the Ariel shuttlecarrier, but all three-view interpretations I've seen are lazy cutandpastes where an Avenger saucer is used instead. The "Starfleet Prototype" Adamant class is the ship that has the Avenger saucer and the three nacelles, but it's clearly distinct from Kirov.
Since Kirov IIRC made it as far as a SotSF name-drop, it would be nice to know more.
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The Kirov is just as you suspected, Timo. It uses the ginormous saucer of the Ariel and adds an ass similar to the Miranda. Properly scaled to the saucer, of course.
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Even James Dixon doesn't have a single line about the origins or specifications of Kirov. A net search turns up some Adamant references but nothing useful. Jim Stevenson's database entry on the Kirov mentions the Mastercom people behind the comparison chart but nothing else.
And who did the Ariel? Stevenson mentions the Heavy Cruiser Evolution Chart which I assume is by the Mastercom folks as well.
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the only 'official' (i.e. published work) appearance of the actual designs i own is on the Federation Recognition Chart from Mastercom, where the Kirov and the Ariel are shown as silhouettes only. Although they are mentioned in SotSF, but not shown.
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