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I had also prepared a 'simple' DP patch, along the lines of the Galaxy one, but I couldn't get it to look right
Oh, and for all CorelDRAW users, here's the trick to get easy rounded triangles: Draw a regular triangle, and give it a HUGE outline. Then, in the "Outline Pen Settings" of the triangle, give it round corners! For smaller triangles, just adjust the outline width.
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OK I feel I have to play Devil's Advocate and ask: Why would it fit better to change an already existing, and fairly well known, registy for the Ptolemy class, but not the Saladin class? They were all approved at the same time - and likely built at the same time - , but the Constitution class was supposed to have been built first. Why not change the destroyer's registry to an "1800" series? Using your line of thinking, shouldn't the Saladin's have a higher registry number, then...?
Not to insult, but your decision seems based more on arbitrary thinking than logic.
And great job, BTW. Wish I could do some stuff like that.
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Are today's Carrier, Battleship, Destroyer, etcetera numbers consecutive? I was looking at the Navy Hull Classification System and it looks like they assign a block of numbers to the construction order, which they try to keep consecutive to the last group of the same tyme of ships. That site has lots of intersting insight to re-classifications and numbering.
Look at this list of the CVN hulls:
Class Hull Name CVN 65 CVN 65 ENTERPRISE CVN 68 CVN 68 NIMITZ CVN 68 CVN 69 DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER CVN 68 CVN 70 CARL VINSON CVN 68 CVN 71 THEODORE ROOSEVELT CVN 68 CVN 72 ABRAHAM LINCOLN CVN 68 CVN 73 GEORGE WASHINGTON CVN 68 CVN 74 JOHN C. STENNIS CVN 68 CVN 75 HARRY S. TRUMAN CVN 68 CVN 76 RONALD REAGAN CVN 68 CVN 77 GEORGE H. W. BUSH
Class Hull Name DD 931 DD 944 MULLINNIX DD 945 DD 945 HULL DD 945 DD 946 EDSON DD 945 DD 948 MORTON DD 945 DD 950 RICHARD S. EDWARDS DD 945 DD 951 TURNER JOY DD 963 DD 963 SPRUANCE DD 963 DD 964 PAUL F. FOSTER DD 963 DD 965 KINKAID DD 963 DD 966 HEWITT
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Oh, no argument from me there. I'm w/you in that regard, if you were directing your comment at me, "Woozle". That was actually the point I was going for, in case I was clear as mud.
I'm thinking that this is where "Franz" Joseph Schnaubelt (FJD) was going with his registry numbers, as well. Basically, blocks of registry numbers were "reserved" for the construction of those ships. I don't believe he was trying for a truely, well defined logical explanation beyond that. Conjecture on my part, obviously....
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First off, you skipped some carriers. My guess is that they are missing from your list merely because they are not nuclear (and hence CV-##, instead of CVN-##). CV-66 is America (decomissioned) and CV-67 is John F. Kennedy. Both were built after Enterprise and before Nimitz.
As for the destroyers, maybe Congress cancelled some hulls during construction (numbers are assigned when the ship is first ordered).
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: Look at this list of the CVN hulls:
Class Hull Name CVN 65 CVN 65 ENTERPRISE CVN 68 CVN 68 NIMITZ CVN 68 CVN 69 DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER CVN 68 CVN 70 CARL VINSON CVN 68 CVN 71 THEODORE ROOSEVELT CVN 68 CVN 72 ABRAHAM LINCOLN CVN 68 CVN 73 GEORGE WASHINGTON CVN 68 CVN 74 JOHN C. STENNIS CVN 68 CVN 75 HARRY S. TRUMAN CVN 68 CVN 76 RONALD REAGAN CVN 68 CVN 77 GEORGE H. W. BUSH
Enterprise is a famous name, Nimitz was an Admiral, and most of the people were Presidents, but who were John C. Stennis and Carl Vinson?
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Well, you actually do have a precedent for political naming of vessels in the Trek universe - the "Vulcan" registry shuttle we see in ST:TMP is named for Surak, founder of the Logic Movement on Vulcan, and I believe there are one or two other StarFleet vessels with Vulcan names, as well as the Excelsior class starship Gorkon, named in honor of Klingon Chancellor Gorkon who was assassinated in ST:VI.
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quote:Perhaps SF operates separately from the political side of the UFP, sort of quasi-autonomously.
Uh, no.
People in starships with massive firepower roaming space with no political control.
Hmmmmm seems to be a bad baaad idea to me.
I never said it was a good idea, did I?
Who makes the decisions regarding the elimination of the Borg? Admiral Necheyev. Who organises defence of Earth and doesn't notify anyone? Admiral Paris. Who makes Worf an ambassador? Admiral Ross. Who decides to help the Klingons in TUC? The SF CinC. How many of the Federation Council Members in TVH are SF Admirals? Lots.
Some of these are probably wrong/inaccurate, but you get the picture. We never see anyone non-Starfleet make any big decisions except in Homefront, which shows an unopposed (except by Sisko) SF takeover of Earth.
quote:Originally posted by Griffworks: Well, you actually do have a precedent for political naming of vessels in the Trek universe - the "Vulcan" registry shuttle we see in ST:TMP is named for Surak, founder of the Logic Movement on Vulcan, and I believe there are one or two other StarFleet vessels with Vulcan names, as well as the Excelsior class starship Gorkon, named in honor of Klingon Chancellor Gorkon who was assassinated in ST:VI.
But that's a shuttle, not a ship. Aren't shuttles named by the ship's captain? (If not, Voyager must have a lot of unnamed shuttles hanging around). It's also more of a "religious" or "philosophical" naming than a political one, kind of like USS Aristotle perhaps. And Gorkon wasn't a Federation politician, he was a Klingon.
Another thing is that SF doesn't follow the US practice of naming a ship with the full name of a person - it's USS Chekhov, not USS Pavel Chekhov or USS Pavel D Chekov (I don't know if he has a middle name, but he's Russian, so he should have a patronymic). I think it sounds a lot better this way. USS George H W Bush is so unwieldly, and definately doesn't sound like a warship.
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quote:Another thing is that SF doesn't follow the US practice of naming a ship with the full name of a person
I wouldn't say that. We've got the John Muir, Nils Bohr, and Thomas Paine.
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