quote:Originally posted by Phoenix: I thought Starfleet spelt it "Endeavour".
They do, as the TNG version (a Nebula class) was named after the Space Shuttle Endeavour, which was in turn named after Capt. Cook's ship of the late 1700's.
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Possibly the closest example I can think of right now is the USS Valiant, where the sickbay was apparently staffed by Chief Collins. Given that "Captain" Watters was such a stickler for the Starfleet ideal (hell, he promoted his XO to the rare FULL commander rank), I think that he'd have staffed his sickbay with a regular doctor or team thereof if the Valiant would regularly have one. After all, Julian was more often found on the bridge than in sickbay...
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I figure the Doc would fill the role of Doctor, Counselor and mabye be a cargo specialist or something.
I got my "Endeavor" ship's name and spelling from the decal sheet made by the long-gone SFSM. Sure wish they'd come back though....
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: ...Which casues one to wonder why you'd even need sickbay manned at all times. Without touching on the the LMH thing, odds are you wouldn't. Heck, Voyager seemed to be assigned only one doctor and nurse even before "Caretaker" (not counting the occasional blueshirt technician), and that's for a crew of 140. Anyone know what the medical staff is on USN warships?
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Depends on crew size and mission. An ammo ship with a crew of over 400 had a Physician's assistant, an E-6 corpsman, and several other corpsmen, from E-5 down to E-1. Total of 7. After the PA was court-martialed, he was replaced as division officer by a Boiler technician Chief for several months.... On an Arleigh Burke DDG, medical was a Chief corpsman (E-7) and an HM3 (E-4 corpsman).
On a MT. Whitney flagship, crew around 800, plus frequent detachments of up to 400, a medical officer (MD), up to two chiefs and about 7-8 corpsmen of various ranks.
On all of the, medical was supplemented by stretcher bearers, 1-4 people from each repair locker who received limited eMT training and assisted during GQ. They were also often used as warm bodies to help out during immunisations and safety standdown training.
Stretcher bearer is a collateral duty, and not intended to do more than carry wounded and perform triage and first aid. Injections and IVs are not permitted, although one corpsman, who'd been in Bosnia, trained her stretcher bearers to do both.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Possibly the closest example I can think of right now is the USS Valiant, where the sickbay was apparently staffed by Chief Collins. Given that "Captain" Watters was such a stickler for the Starfleet ideal (hell, he promoted his XO to the rare FULL commander rank), I think that he'd have staffed his sickbay with a regular doctor or team thereof if the Valiant would regularly have one. After all, Julian was more often found on the bridge than in sickbay...
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Don't get me started. "full" commander is simply commander, as opposed to lieutenant commander, frequently abbreviated to commander. But Valiant was a big mistake. Midshipmen are not in the military and have no commission to give them authority, and a captain has no legal authority to make them such. That's reserved for the federation council (or congress today). As an actually commissioned officer, Nog outranked any jumped-up cadet and was obligated to take command. Hell, as an E-5 in a deck rate, I would have had the authority and obligation to do so in that situation.
Had the writers decided to have Nog assert his authority and be rejected by the cadets out of a misguided sense of duty, or better yet, to accept the law, and then mutiny when he decided to take the valian home (as opposed to their desire to assault the Jemmie battleship), that would have made a stronger story.
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I did always wonder why Nog never did pull rank with the cadets... after all he is a commissioned officer with a rank of ensign. It would has saved most of Red Squad and keep together a Defiant Class for the battle backgrounds.
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quote:Originally posted by Darkwing: Don't get me started. "full" commander is simply commander, as opposed to lieutenant commander, frequently abbreviated to commander. But Valiant was a big mistake. Midshipmen are not in the military and have no commission to give them authority, and a captain has no legal authority to make them such. That's reserved for the federation council (or congress today). As an actually commissioned officer, Nog outranked any jumped-up cadet and was obligated to take command. Hell, as an E-5 in a deck rate, I would have had the authority and obligation to do so in that situation.
Well, I'm not 100% sure about the US Navy, but the USAF still allows a commissioned officer to make an enlisted member an officer via the Battle Field Commission. There's also a Battlefield Promotion given to POW's, tho this is rarely done as a rule. I have no clue how this would relate to real-world cadets, tho, not being sure of the actual status of said cadets. I'll see if any of our Oh's in the squadron know how USAF Cadets are regarded in this fashion, especially when it comes to violations of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). If they are subject to the UCMJ, then they should technically be capable of being promoted to an officer under battlfield conditions as well.
quote: Had the writers decided to have Nog assert his authority and be rejected by the cadets out of a misguided sense of duty, or better yet, to accept the law, and then mutiny when he decided to take the valian home (as opposed to their desire to assault the Jemmie battleship), that would have made a stronger story.
No argument there. I think it would have been a much better story and actually made more fans like and respect the character Nog. I also think it would have shown a much better growth of the character...
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quote:Originally posted by Griffworks: Well, I'm not 100% sure about the US Navy, but the USAF still allows a commissioned officer to make an enlisted member an officer via the Battle Field Commission. There's also a Battlefield Promotion given to POW's, tho this is rarely done as a rule. I have no clue how this would relate to real-world cadets, tho, not being sure of the actual status of said cadets. I'll see if any of our Oh's in the squadron know how USAF Cadets are regarded in this fashion, especially when it comes to violations of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). If they are subject to the UCMJ, then they should technically be capable of being promoted to an officer under battlfield conditions as well.
Midshipmen are not subject to the UCMJ, because they are still civilians. I looked into it after a first-class standing OOD got into it with a middie upset over not being saluted.
quote: Had the writers decided to have Nog assert his authority and be rejected by the cadets out of a misguided sense of duty, or better yet, to accept the law, and then mutiny when he decided to take the valian home (as opposed to their desire to assault the Jemmie battleship), that would have made a stronger story.
No argument there. I think it would have been a much better story and actually made more fans like and respect the character Nog. I also think it would have shown a much better growth of the character... [/QUOTE] Agreed.
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