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A Tholian MSD might not incorperate stuff like gravity...
Breen ships might be bitterly cold (assuming their more secure areas have a "confortable" environment to Breen) and might have either higher or lower than standard deck heights (some Breen seem abormaly tall). The Breen ship interior areas shown on DS9 might have been tailored specially for the meeting with the Dominion.
Bajoran ships would doubtlessly incorperate a temple. KLingon ships probably have training facilities, limited quarters or communal crew baracks, various armory and weapons lockers, etc. Probably redundant systems backups.
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Of all the non-Fed races, we've arguably seen the MOST of Klingon ship designs, so that would probably be easiest to do. The Borg would be after that, but their sets are so generic (and the ships so huge) that it would be a redundant exercise. Romulan design has changed dramatically from TOS to TNG to DS9, that it would be a toughie as well.
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Just some logos for it.. maybe not as shiny as Rev's.
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The first one is Soviets in Space. I love it. I dont mind the militaristic feel so much since they will essentially be for fighter pilots, people not noted for their easy going take on things. They want to think they're predators and the best around, so the imagery suits the audience.
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Does it really surprise you by this point anything I do have a heavy military influence Rev?
These are pretty much based on existing Navy designs. The T-21 logo is based off this F-14 Tomcat patch. The squadron logo comes from the basic patch design most real squadrons use. As for the ESW logo, it comes from the CVW (Carrier Air Wing) logo designs which all seem to be triangular.
I try to keep it simple so it could be easily a patch on a Starfleet fighter jumpsuit.
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Mate, I grew up in and still live smack in the middle of the Salisbury Plain Army Training Estate, so I'm no stranger to tanks, squaddies, apaches (noisy bastards), tornados and artillery barrages. Seriously, we're so used to distant explosions and low altitude flybys around here that if the south of England ever gets invaded, we'll be the last to notice.
So I don't have a problem with the military, I just perfer not to see it on starfleet signage. Perhaps a tad naive given that Starfleet clearly has a substantial military element, but I'm one of the few who refuse to accept the idea of a standing army of Starfleet Marines, aside from the fact that the term is ridiculously archaic, I just don't like the idea of it. Also it adds to the Earth centric image of Starfleet, which gets on my nerves a little when the organisation is supposed to represent over 150 worlds. Obviously we saw ground troops at least twice on DS9, but my theory on them is that they're more like reservists, probably spend peacetime acting as local police on their home planets or indeed they could be retired non-comms (remember that little used reserve activation clause?), like say the Bajorian Militia, as none of the soldiers were officers...not that I'm trying to derail the thread of course. ;-)
quote:...but I'm one of the few who refuse to accept the idea of a standing army of Starfleet Marines, aside from the fact that the term is ridiculously archaic, I just don't like the idea of it.
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(I think referring to your military as "security" is kind of creepy.)
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quote:...but I'm one of the few who refuse to accept the idea of a standing army of Starfleet Marines, aside from the fact that the term is ridiculously archaic, I just don't like the idea of it.
Yep. Now, "Starfleet Security Corps", OTOH...
Ok, but what ever happend to the "Mobile Ground Force" idea?
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Ok, I didn't want to derail Hobbes's thread, but since he's an ex-swabbie I'm sure he'll forgive a discussion on the military in Starfleet.
Now, the here's how I see it; the way the Federation's 'Army' works is that each member world has it's own semi-autonomous security force, like the Bajorian militia, local Colonial Police, what's left of the Andorian Imperial Guard and Vulcan High Command etc, all under the larger umbrella of Starfleet Security. Now in peace time they're mostly concerned with planetary security/policing. That covers ground and air patrol, policing the cities, monitoring criminal activity and being on hand for disaster responce. Now most of these would be made up of weekend warrior types, like the TA here in the UK, or I think you yanks have something called the National Guard? Anyway, when the Federation needs to mobilise an army it draws it's ground forces from these organisations, put's Starfleet Officers and experienced Non-Comms in charge of them, puts them through a quick (a few weeks) course of training and rolls them off the the front lines. Now remember that this has only happened on a large scale once or twice in Federation history and these kinds of soldiers are certainly not the first wave. Take the Dominion War for an example, in the initial outbreak (right before the fall of DS9) Starfleet would have only just started calling these people up, starting training programs and recruitment drives. The initial missions would have been carried out by specialists with Starfleet Tactical, People like Ro Laren, Tasha Yar and possibly a bunch of veterans like O'Brian.
So in terms of labelling, they're not "Marines", because the term is outdated and they're not career Starfleet. They're truely Federation Soldiers. That is skilled and trained people from every world of the Federation. Not fleet officers or gung-ho ground-pounders, they're Soldiers. When mobalised they're under Starfleet Command because Starfleet is responsible for the greater scheme of Federation Security and they're the only ones with the equipment, logistics and of course ships to transport them. After the war, most of them would be demobbed, at which point they hand back their combadges and go back to being whatever planet they came from. Or not.
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: (I think referring to your military as "security" is kind of creepy.)
Because, of course, a military isn't designed to secure anything.
Nonsense: millions have been firmly secured in coffins.
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