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Well, before they arrived the SGC (and presumably the LA) didn't even know about Destiny. The point of Icarus was just a means to unlock the 9th chevron that they found the address for in the Atlantis database. Hence my suspicion the LA actually know something the SGC don't.

They apparantly heard (from Telford?) that the formula had finally been cracked and decided to take Icarus and dial the address themselves. The timing couldn't have been a coincidence.

As for which gate on Earth is dominant; I think it's mentioned in 'Midway' that unless they make some alteration or another, the Pegasus gate will take precedent. So assuming Atlantis hasn't gone back to Pegasus then that should be the "dominant" gate...unless they've done whatever they did to make the Midway Station gates co-operate.

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Daniel Butler
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I don't think they modified the midway gates; I think the whole point of the station was that you couldn't connect the two systems with that macro for whatever reason. You actually have to step out of the Pegasus network and enter the Milky Way network, which suggests...something, I'm sure. Maybe the protocols McKay used to negotiate the buffers got updated between gate networks and isn't backwards compatible [Big Grin]
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No, I saw that episode a few weeks ago and McKay defiantly mentioned something to that effect.

Actually, now that I think about it the episode might have been the series finale, not 'Midway' itself. It might have had something to do with the hive ship carrying a Pegasus gate IIRC.

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That's what it was... the Wraith ship in orbit had a stargate, and thus took priority over the Milky Way gate on the surface.

That means that Atlantis probably is serving as the SGC "departure lounge" for the time being.

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But like I said, in that ep McKay mentioned they had to do some workaround for the midway station to stop it from happening, so it could be either way.

Of course if Atlantis has gone back to Pegesus already, it's rather a moot point. Which actually brings up the question; would the IOA want Atlantis to go back now that the chair (and I assume the drones along with it) were destroyed at Area 51?

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McKay didn't say anything in "Midway" about the Pegasus Gates taking priority over the Milky Way. The only technical specs we got in that episode was the excerpt from "The Return" with the added voiceover they thought noone would notice was added about both systems being totally secure and thus not needing an iris or shield.

The only time they mention the two Gate systems working together is in the series finale when the Wraith gate kills the SGC gate.

So part of McKay's macro must have taken the Pegasus gate at the end of the line off the grid and thus allowed the Jumper's DHD to dial the Milky Way gate instead of the Pegasus gate, and allowed the Milky Way gate to work at all. Still doesn't explain how a jumper's Pegasus DHD could dial a Milky Way stargate... but I digress.

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Sorry for the confusion, but to clarify what I've said: in the series finale (I forget the title), McKay mentioned they had to do some workaround when they built Midway and it came up because of the Hive ship and it's gate in Earth orbit.

As for the jumper's DHD, I just assumed that since the jumpers were built after the MW gates that it could auto-reconfigure when it detects the other network in a certain proximity.
They didn't seem to have a problem using in the 'Mobius' as I recall.

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In "Möbius," I remember that the DHD had Milky Way symbols on it. So Janus adapted the ship after he built it.

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Daniel Butler
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Or the DHD's keys change when it reconfigures. Still, you're probably right.
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I'm rewatching Atlantis and am almost to the finale ("Enemy at the Gate"). I'll listen for McKay's line.

I don't think we really saw the jumper's DHD when Shepard dialed the MW gate, so it's possible the symnbols changed. And yah, O'Niell's jumper had MW symbols.

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In watching the episode, I too found myself suddenly very curious what value the Lucian Alliance would see in an incredibly old spaceship millions and billions of lightyears away. I wonder if part of the value of Destiny and her older Ancient technology/databases may be their age. I imagine the inner workings of most ancient technology is vastly beyond the comprehension of even the more advanced species in Stargate. Like giving DaVinci an iPhone. It'd be wonderous to him and he'd surely be able to make it turn on and stuff, but the underlying sciences behind what makes it work and respond to touch don't even exist for him. So if presented the opportunity to explore, like a WWII ballistics computer or telephone exchange, now he's got a much better chance of comprehending what's going on, and that more rudimentary knowledge would likely go a long way towards understanding more advanced artifacts. Just a thought. Anyway, please I did not mean to interrupt discussion of spaceships.
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Daniel Butler
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Good point, though. I hadn't thought of it like that.
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A technological rosetta stone? Not a bad theory but I'm still at a loss as to how they think they'll get back. Have to wait and see I suppose.

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