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Let's try to steer this thread back to the topic Omega had in mind, shall we?
The Matrix, as far as I understand, is basically an elaborate computer program that all of enslaved humanity is tied into. It isn't an AI entity, but it controlled by the AI robots and such. If it helps, the AI's are the users, the enslaved humans are the system resources, and the Matrix is the operating system.
The purpose of the Matrix, as Matrix said earlier, was to keep the minds of the enslaved humans occupied in a realistic world so that they can harvest energy most efficiently from them. I'm wondering if the machines also get some of their energy from the mental exertions made by the humans. After all, its all pretty elaborate and complex if you're just going to suck off the electricity produced by humans.
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i liked george clooney a lot in o brother. i thought blackhawk down sucked, but thats mostly because jerry bruckheimer is the sign of the beast.
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Ocean's 11 is a cool film, very well executed. Problem is, the more you think about the plot, the less plausible it becomes and the more holes appear.
Like:
The Casino calls the cops, and one SWAT team van appears? No support units?
The back part of the casino was a lot easier to get into than they initially made out.
Andy Garcia can easily identify at least one member of the gang: the old guy Sol, because an old friend uses his real name.
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The Matrix seemed infinitely more like what thoughtychops described than an MMORPG by Blizzard. In fact, it'd be more like a MMOSPS. Where each of the 'S' stand for SLAVE!
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Yeah, it's not like battle.net.
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Curt Shilling plays Everquest.
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BHD was by far the better of Bruckheimer's more recent films. I really did not care for Ocean's Eleven. I have always wondered what was the basis for Neo's powers? Were they some type of psychic thing?
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Also: Why could they talk to the "Real" world on cell phones, but not exit through them?
The movie had quite a few plot holes. I'm cool with plot glitches if they'll try and explain some of it in the next movie.
Meanwhile: Black Hawk Down rated a "Wow" because it's been awhile since I've seen something that violent. You know, they actually REDUCED the amount of fire the convoy was taking for the movie...the producers thought that it would be unrealistic to show how much they really received.
It's amazing to me that any of the Americans made it out alive, much less suffering only 18 deaths. (the 19th died later in critical care.)
The film misrepresented a few facts, but...I dunno. I had to cut them some slack. The book it was based on followed the experiences of something like ninety soldiers that day, and included the Somali perspective too, although to a much lesser degree.
It's hard to condense something like that into a two hour movie. For the most part, I got everything I needed to know about those guys. They were guys doing their job. They got thrown into an impossible situation due to (in one way or another) bullshit politics, the mission got fucked up, and they spent the next fifteen hours fighting to get out alive from a deathtrap.
As a film dealing with soldiers dealing with the impossible situation, it's a success.
My only beef with the film is that the only characters from the Somalia perspective were simple one dimensional killers. So...as a film about the facts? It's a failure.
A failure with lots of shit 'sploding.
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I really dug Matrix. I think the explanations provided thus far are pretty on the money. The thing with the cell phones, I didn't really consider a problem. The cell phones were made by the hackers in their staging program just like everything else they brought with them. They didn't provide a hard line into the program like certain phone lines did.
As for the Agents, I thought the whole concept was really well done. Independantly running, self aware monitoring programs running within the Matrix, but not necessarily part of it. Remember when the main Agent dude wanted a bit of privacy with Morpheus? He took the little ear piece out which evidently cut him off from the rest of the Agents, the AI units running everything, and his ability to monitor the Matrix itself.
Neo's abilities seem to stem from an instinctual understanding and ability to manipulate the physical laws created by the computer program. But you're right... they never really explained it. They did say that there had been another with that ability, though... and apparently within the lifetime of the Oracle.
I'm hoping they explain more about the Oracle in the next two movies...though I have a hunch she's going to die. She seems to still be tied into the Matrix... how else would she know what's going on? But yet, she remains undetected by the Agents. If she's already been freed from the Matrix... that means she's sitting in a chair somewhere, probably in Zion, with someone feeding her through a tube and wiping the drool off her face... I don't really like that image. Sort of takes something away from the character.
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That's probably what it's going to be, some kind of old cripple, hooked to the matrix. Imagine how much she would know...all the wisdom of all that life. Her body wasted away in reality, but her mind still sharp as a tack.
I'm thinking it would be cool if the Oracle was Zion's mainframe, though. A benefical AI, some kind of weather prediction program come alive. The AI behind weather prediction would eventually come to understand that what it did it did to save and enrich human lives...maybe that would somehow translate to compassion through mathematics...explaining her Mother persona, her ability to see the future, and her mysteriousness all in one swoop.
Or maybe it's a hokey idea. But fuck it, that's how I'd write it.
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Actually... I really dig the idea of it being Zion's mainframe. That's really cool. Morph said she had been with them since the beginning.
Maybe the Agents will figure it out and try to kidnap the Oracle in order to hack into Zion?
The previews I've seen show Morpheus speaking of a predestined time or event or something. Seems very Oracle-ish.
My question is.. If Neo is now Uber Hacker... and can do whatever he wants... where's the challenge? Will he meet up with some other all powerful guy? Or will the AI create someone as powerful as he is?
I guess even he can't be everywhere at once, so everyone else will still have ot be on their toes.
Man... I hope Trin doesn't die... she's way too hot.
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I'm thinking that the Agents will get some of those Almost-Messiah Kids, and corrupt them. Neo can fuck the Agents up because they're programs; He wouldn't be able to do that with human minds on a similar level with his own.
I'm sure that they'll want to keep some of the mind-bending aspects to the film, try and top it concept wise. The Matrix is just a construct, a program. But, what about the computer(s) housing it? Surely they have multiple programs running...wouldn't they have a matrix for the machine minds to chill out in? And would Neo have any power there?
You want to destroy the machines? You have to take the fight to them, on their turf. Impossible to do physically, because, well, their machines, and would fuck you up. But what about in the computer's own cyber-Zion? The aim would be to Not just destroy the matrix, but destroying their computer minds, to free humanity.
I dunno. In bored moments at work and so on I've thought about where they'll go in the next one, and stuff like that is the only thing that makes sense. Well, I was really bored, anyway.
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The actress who played Oracle died a few months ago, but she was able to finish the second Matrix before she died.
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Will involve Neo fighting a new program bent on destroying the matrix or something. That program will spawn new agents capable of taking on Neo one on one. Smith finding himself obsolete, makes up a temprary alliance with Neo. Somehow Smith in this movie can clone himself.
I dunno, sounds like Blade 2 and other movies.
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Sounds kind of interesting, but I don't know if I like the idea of a new enemy before the old one is even really dealt with. I mean, like thoughty mentioned... the robots are still out there in the real world and they haven't even touched on how they might deal with them.
And exquese me... but wasn't the Smith program destroyed at the end of the first movie? I mean, sure, he was a program and could possibly be recreated... but why? It should be a different actor.
That said, I can see why they would want to stop the Matrix from being destroyed all at once. All the people trapped in side would die.
From the footage I've seen, the baddies in this one have more swords than guns. There's a lot of samurai / ninja looking dudes and one scene takes place on what looks like a freeway off ramp.
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