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A friend brought up an interesting idea. Zion is another level of control, but what if it's not really real? What if the awakening and Zion are all just another program?
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How could nobody else have thought of this! Your friend has a truly amazing intellect.
I think it was Dozer they talked about, in the Zion apartment.
No, "I lost two brothers to that ship." Unless there was a third one, it's gotta be Tank.
Assuming that Smith found a way to actually put himself in that guy's brain, my impression was that he was cutting into his hand just to see what it felt like.
That was my impression as well. He did seem a bit... unstable regarding humans in the first movie. Imagine after that, becoming one.
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I did not hate this movie near as much as I had expected to. I mean it got REALLY pretentious at several points but the humor about Morpheus being nuts and a couple of other points kept it in check.
So, I had a stupid idea. That idea was that after the point that Neo enters the 'Core' or the 'Center' or the 'thingy what's in the middle of the important stuff' that he does not leave it. That at that point 'the Architect' is tricking him into believing he is outside The Matrix in order to learn more about his anomaly or whatever nefarious plan he has for Neo.
Also, because I have been drinking I wonder whether the machines (AIs, whatever) might not be aware of the humans simply as imperfect programs and perceive the 'real' world as artificially as we perceive the matrix. But I'm sort of drunk and while this seems clever now, someone is sure to burst my bubble when I get up to check the boards in the morning...
Also, the crow is the archetypical psychopomp, conveying souls from the world of the living to the world of the dead, etc.
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"That at that point 'the Architect' is tricking him into believing he is outside The Matrix in order to learn more about his anomaly or whatever nefarious plan he has for Neo."
Your thoughts are clear, Mac-San! Program Boy must have had a contingency plan to prevent Neone from fucking over the machines (after all, if humanity kicks the bucket, so will they).
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Neo asked that same question. He claimed that the Architect would never allow humanity to completely be destroyed because it would mean the end of the machines as well. The Architect replaied that "there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept" which would seem to indicate that, even if Neo did choose to leave, there would be some, comparatively unpleasant, means for the machines to continue existing.
Doesn't matter. I don't believe anything the Architect said anyway.
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So they're cool with living forever as toasters?
Mabye they plan on dormantcy until that pesky "no sunlight" issue corrects itself.
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That idea was that after the point that Neo enters the 'Core' or the 'Center' or the 'thingy what's in the middle of the important stuff' that he does not leave it. That at that point 'the Architect' is tricking him into believing he is outside The Matrix in order to learn more about his anomaly or whatever nefarious plan he has for Neo.
Of course, then we have to ask why we can see things going on while Neo's unconscious.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: So they're cool with living forever as toasters?
Finally, another role for Talky Toaster!!!
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