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I tend to place more belief in the "she was bit by Rob's anti-French hysteria" theory, with the assumption that Rebecca's cloister was the same one she trained students in (which I believe was established in "Legacy"), since I really don't see:
a) Amanda slipping out of the barge, flying to England, and meeting Luther at Rebecca's cloister, only to have Duncan interupt them a few minutes later ... (this, plus other evidence in "Legacy" supports Rebecca's cloister being on the outskirts of Paris).
b) Amanda being "killed" for the first time in England, being transported to France, and "reviving" in Rebecca's cloister. This would be a trip of some time, especially in the time period, and it's unlikely that Amanda would not have revived sooner.
So, I believe she was lying in "Double Eagle" for whatever reason. Of course, there's the possibility she was Belgian or something and just wandered into Paris, or perhaps her parents adopted her on the way into France and she considers herself Hungarian ...
As I understand it, the reason that Wingfield returned (actually, I guess I should say post-"Finale" since that episode was no doubt written and possibly filmed long before "Methos" aired) was his sex appeal & popularity among the fans, and for the character to act as sort of a "twisted" version of Darius, a mentor or sorts.
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Amanda's lousy cockney accent (and basically every character IN that flashback) tends to say otherwise. Plus, the Watcher's Chronicle CD says that she's empathically NOT French.
Personally, I don't see why she wouldn't hop a plane (or ferry, or whatever) for a quick trip to England. Macleod did exactly that in "The Samurai", going all the way to evergreen-infestd Japan to face a guy, and to Hollywood in "Haunted" for the same reason. Both were done in the space of a commercial break or less.
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You know it's not uncommon for people in England to have French surnames, the channel isn't very wide and there's the little matter of the Norman invasion.
I can track my family history back about 900 years (more or less) and yet I have a Swedish surname, at least I'm told it's Swedish.
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You know it's not uncommon for people in England to have French surnames, the channel isn't very wide and there's the little matter of the Norman invasion.
I can track my family history back about 900 years (more or less) and yet I have a Swedish surname, at least I'm told it's Swedish.
quote:Amanda's lousy cockney accent (and basically every character IN that flashback) tends to say otherwise. Plus, the Watcher's Chronicle CD says that she's empathically NOT French.
If we're going on accents, does that mean Robin of Locksley was really American?
C'mon, she's over a thousand years old. Why would she have the same accent she started out with? Look at Duncan - he's only 400 years old, and you only hear that Scottish brogue when he's really pissed (or in a flashback).
quote:Personally, I don't see why she wouldn't hop a plane (or ferry, or whatever) for a quick trip to England. Macleod did exactly that in "The Samurai", going all the way to evergreen-infestd Japan to face a guy, and to Hollywood in "Haunted" for the same reason. Both were done in the space of a commercial break or less.
Indeed, but there is more evidence that the cloister was in France than just what I've said. If the cloister was in England, why was Rebecca buried in France? She's in the same cemetary that Tessa is buried in, and that MacLeod killed Horton in (or just outside of, I guess).
All the evidence in the episode points to the cloister being in France. And if you'll keep in mind all the time the action goes from the barge, to Paris, to the cloister, to Luther's hideout, to dead Immortal's houses, to Paris cemetaries, the idea that they're all running back and forth between Paris and England is just a bit *much*.
quote:Indeed, but there is more evidence that the cloister was in France than just what I've said. If the cloister was in England, why was Rebecca buried in France? She's in the same cemetary that Tessa is buried in, and that MacLeod killed Horton in (or just outside of, I guess).
So? She could simply be living in France NOW with that Scottish guy. Why not be buried here? And just 'cuz the same cemetary is used doesn't necessarily mean that it's MEANT to be the same cemetary. I mean, if you have to believe that, then you also have to believe things like the hotel that Duncan fought Axel in just *happens* to look like the palace where he met Kamir, except with drapes hanging everywhere. It's easy to rationalize stuff on a low-budget show.
I don't believe they were shuttling over to England and back again between ever commercial break and scene change in "Legacy." For one thing, it doesn't make sense: Luther wants the remaining crystal, and so while Amanda's on the continent, he's jaunting around jolly old England? I think not. And if he WAS, why would Amanda and MacLeod go back to the Barge after a London funeral? Yeah, yeah, we don't see the funeral proper, but MacLeod learns about Luther in the cemetary - both from Robert & by sensing Luther - so why would he go back to Paris, unless they were already IN Paris to begin with?
I think the simplest explanation is the most probable: Rebecca's cloister was located in or near Paris, and Amanda suffered her first death in Paris, even if she may not have been native to France.
quote:Originally posted by Omega: *bludgeon's ZARDOZ with a copy of "Highlander 2: Renegade Edition"*
Man, I have NEVER, EVER watched ANYTHING to do with Highlander. Not one movie, not one episode, nothing. But even _I_ know that THERE IS NO HIGHLANDER 2.
*hangs up four Highlander movie posters*
How many movie posters do you see?
So.. this copy of Highlander 2 you want to whack me with does not exsist?
According to my movie guide, the Highlander series is as follows;
Highlander, 1986 Highlander 2: The Quickening , 1991, aka DVD directors cut; Highlander 2: Renegade Version. Highlander: The Final Dimension, 1994 Highlander: The Gathering,1992, this seems to be stuff from the TV show, Never seen it.
So thats 3 movies and some re-edited TV shows.
Not that I give a shit!
So what was the name of that alien planet in Highlander 2 anyway?
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quote:Highlander: The Gathering,1992, this seems to be stuff from the TV show, Never seen it.
This was the pilot episode of the Series, and another first season episode, "combined" into two hours ... since the episodes had nothing to do with each other, it didn't make a lot of sense.
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You're right, my movie guide is 3 years old. I just saw some stuff on a website about Endgame, have not seen it. As for making sense, I never felt that was a strong point of the Highlander films anyhow!
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In most places other than America, Highlander 3 was subtitled "The Sorcerer" ... (one might speculate that the American subtitle was "The Philosopher", however, a sorcerer is not the same thing as a philosopher (despite what Americans might believe), and more to the point, there is a sorcerer in the film, while there is no 'Final Dimension' anywhere to be seen ...
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I never understood Highlander 3. Basically, it follows after the original movie... Conner is the only immortal left, he has settled into a nice life with his antique store and his adopted son, then suddenly this cave is opened and a whole bunch of Immortals are let out. So it turns out that Connor *wasn't* the last Immortal on Earth... The baddie even says something along the lines of "You only thought you'd won the prize".
Now you throw the series into the mix: During this time, presumably, Duncan and all the scads of Immortals he's run into are trapsing around the planet as well.
It seems like every time they make a movie, they make it with the thought that it's the only one. The only two elements of the franchise that go together anymore are the series and Endgame. I guess you could say that the first movie and the third movie go together, but not with anything else. Same with the first and second movies. The first movie *might* fit in with the series and Endgame if we can somehoe rationalize the fact that Connor thought he was the last Immortal after the first movie.
The death of the Kurgon was even mentioned very briefly in an episode of the series, IIRC.
quote:Now you throw the series into the mix: During this time, presumably, Duncan and all the scads of Immortals he's run into are trapsing around the planet as well.
Highlander 3 picked up directly from Highlander, ignored Highlander 2 and The Series. In my opinion, ignoring The Series was silly - why wouldn't you try and link them together? Or if not that, why would you go around saying "Hey, it's only Connor and Mario van Peeples" and completely alienate the fans of the Series.
quote:It seems like every time they make a movie, they make it with the thought that it's the only one. The only two elements of the franchise that go together anymore are the series and Endgame. I guess you could say that the first movie and the third movie go together, but not with nothing else. Same with the first and second movies. The first movie *might* fit in with the series and Endgame if we can somehoe rationalize the fact that Connor thought he was the last Immortal after the first movie.
Here is how to rationalize the first movie with the Series. The events of the first movie HAPPENED exactly as seen, except, of course, that it was simply the culling of all the Immortals in the New York City region. A "mini-Gathering" of sorts. Connor didn't win the prize, but he did kill Fasil & Kurgan.
quote:The death of the Kurgon was even mentioned very briefly in an episode of the series, IIRC.
In the episode "The Watchers", the 2nd season premier which introduced 'The Watchers' and was a sequel to the 1st season finale, 'The Hunters' which introduced the renegade branch that liked to kill Immortals. Joe Dawson is showing MacLeod his computer records - Kurgan is listed as being killed in NYC in 1986, and Joe attributes the kill to Connor. I do believe, however, that the Kurgan's birthdate isn't correct - it's more recent than it should be.
Both Kurgan and Ramirez were mentioned in the flashback in "End of Innocence", when Duncan is journying with Immortal Graham Ashe, who claims to be Ramirez' teacher.
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Hmmm... ok... I can accept the mini Gathering. Maybe just an unusally large number of Immortals had been hanging around New York and it felt odd to them. All that Quickening floating about and such.
But you're right... ignoring the series was stupid. If the series was running at the time, and especially seeing as Conner was IN THE FIRST EPISODE... why not tie the two together then instead of waiting for Endgame?
However, I believe we've discussed before, that Endgame pretty much throws a kink in the timeline of 1, 3, and the series. I don't remember the details, but somehow Conner going to Sanctuary when it's said he did in the film messes with other events from other movies and flashbacks.
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