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Aban Rune
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They were just making a point. And being pissy.
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Yep... pissy
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Bond, James Bond
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In "The Matrix", Smith told Morpheus that "he had to get out" of the Matrix because Humans stink (he could have just suggested some deoderant or a nice cologne but I digress). Yes, I know it was metaphorical stink.

Anyway, that implied to me that perhaps Smith was not purely software but that he might have an actual physical Machine counterpart in the real world. Maybe some of the Machines, not the Sentinels but something else, are the "living" bodies of the programs running in the Matrix itself?

I don't think he believed he could take over a Human body at that point (nor would he want to) so it was my guess that he was just stuck in the Matrix until he captured Morpheus and destroyed Zion and then his "bosses" would allow him to return to his Machine shell on the outside.

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Sol System
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More likely, I think, is that the Matrix is not the only network protocol they've got running, and Smith wanted to get out of the grungy "Let's simulate physical stuff" part and back to contemplating mathematics and the meaning of life.

I wish the films would have been a bit more concrete about just how the machines were organized, in regards to things like free will. For instance, much of the Animatrix suggests that the machines are a collection of autonomous self-aware entities, some with physical bodies, some without. And yet in the films we hear a lot about programs being summarily deleted when their purpose has been served, which sounds like a way more autocratic (and less anthropomorphic) setup. Someone like the Keymaker seems to be a complete "person," and yet still serves a fairly limited function and exists only while that function is necessary.

In fact, since in Revolutions it seems that the Matrix is the only place that free programs who wish to remain alive/autonomous can go, Smith's desire to leave seems out of place. We never see any other program trying to sneak out, after all, but instead we see them sneaking in from the more ordered and less "human" machine world. Unless Smith was simply eager for oblivion, which is possible, though not the sense I got from his speech, if I recall it correctly.

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Bond, James Bond
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At that point though in the first movie he was a little more rebellious then your average Agent but I don't think Smith was to the point of trying to subvert authority and escape his masters control but just wanted to be away from humans.

You bring up a good point about how there must be other programmed realities for the sentient programs to exist in, it would have been nice to see some of those and the Machine Heirarchy as you pointed out.

Since the buildings in the machine city of 01 seemed to be arranged in fractal based patterns (at least as seen from the air) a realm of pure mathmatical comtemplation would seem like a paradise to a Machine I suppose.

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Jason Abbadon
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Machine paradise: Pong.

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Wes
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just a heads up, Matriculated takes place about 50 years after Revolutions
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Bond, James Bond
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^^^ Really? I don't remember them saying that in the story. Where'd you hear that from? [Confused]

If so, then the answer to the question posed by the Architect about how long do you think this peace will last is not very damn long apparantly.

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Wes
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Apparently not. It was in an interview with one of the animators about how its in the future, "about 50 years", where times are 'very diffrent'. This was before it even came out.
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Bond, James Bond
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Interesting. Thanks.

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