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Anybody here been following Big O besides me? If so, can anybody explain what in the heck happened in the finale? I think my brain got frelled trying to make sense out of everything...
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Yes! Someone besides me who's been watching The Big O! Man, "The Show Must Go On" was a real brain-bender, wasn't it? I've only seen from Act 16 on, so I'm anxiously awaiting for all the episodes to be rerun.
I'm slowly mulling the finale over in my head trying to make sense of everything. My head hurts, it really does. As far as I can figure out, I think it's implied that Angel is the director of Paradigm City. Maybe she's the one who really built everything as a way of finding her true self, and she got lost in her our creation. Or, maybe she's God, and she's trying to create the perfect existence since there are, apparently, numerous rewinding of the life of Paradigm City. Or, maybe the whole thing is similar to The Truman Show.
Dorothy seems to be much more important than we've been led to believe. She apparently has a backup memory unit. She apparently retains enough past memories to control and be connected with a Big. She, along with Gordon Rosewater, know more about her than they've led on.
I'm guessing that Paradigm City was reset at the end, but I don't think it was a complete wipe of everything. Just before Big Venus and Big O merged into nothingness, we see Dorothy introduce Roger Smith to Angel in that control room. I think Roger negotiated some changes for the reset. Angel and Dorothy are together following the reset watching Roger Smith drive past. And Roger Smith isn't wearing his communicator watch for Big O. He says in voiceover that Paradigm City is still a city of amnesia, but did he keep his memories from the previous cycle? Obviously there was a reset since Paradigm City is repaired, but how much changed?
There's still a lot I'm mulling over. The assembly line of Roger Smiths (similar to the Terminator assembly line) and the Dorothy doll are a couple. Plus, there's the other more damaged Big O we at the bottom of the sea with what looks like a dead Roger Smith. We know there was at least one reset where Roger was a military officer piloting Big O, does this mean there were other resets as well? So very confusing.
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I cant read your posts!!!!! I'm stuck working on sundays and missed the entire freakin' season!!!!
Shit.
I have season one on DVD....season two should start american DVD release next month....must avoid spoilers... must..
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It still leaves less guessing than the Matrix series.
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Y'know....lots of characters seem to have intact memories.
The guy that assembled Dorothy. Mr. Wainwright himself. Both Rosewaters (Sr. and Jr.) Michael Zabok discovered the truth and (possibly) became Schwartzwald. The old man that gives the Sax player that chrismas ornament o' doom. The woman from Dustan's childhood. The old man manipulating Instro. Probably R.D. knew everything as well. Angel knows at least a larger part of it that Roger. And that's just from season one! The Big O and Big Duo themselves appear at least partially sentient and aware. As did the prototype "Big" . With the exceptions of Dorothy, Angel and the Rosewaters, everyone that know or leasrns the truth wants to destroy Paridgm. Mabye they know they're being endlessly manipulated?
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: With the exceptions of Dorothy, Angel and the Rosewaters, everyone that know or leasrns the truth wants to destroy Paridgm.
You'll be changing this statement once you get through season two. And, yay, Cartoon Network starts reairing both seasons this week!
quote:Mabye they know they're being endlessly manipulated?
This would definitely help explain several scenes in the finale.
I wonder if Cartoon Network is going to lay out a chunk of change again to get a third season made. It'd be interesting to see where things would go from events in the finale. Of course, I bet the season three finale would be just as unclear as this finale was (and the first season finale, if I understand correctly).
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By "starts showing this week" do you mean nightly or on sunday only?
If you only saw Season 1 on cartoon network's Toonami, you missed some imporntant, cool and violent stuff. It was edited for content a lot. Like Pero's parents getting gunned down on Roger's roof. Or Beck killing that hostage to frame Roger. ...but you have'nt seen those episodes at all! You'll like them a LOT.
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You'll also see lots of weird crap, like stores memories being stored at certain hidden locations, two androids besides Dorothy, giant monsters, murders galore, christmas in Pardigm, Dorothy's sister Dorothy One, stuff from Dustin's past, Norman with a biiiiig gun, nifty stuff about Roger's watch, Roger getting shot, knocked out, tied up, lied to, framed and woke up by loud piano playing. And lots of buildings get destroyed.
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The Big O starts running Monday through Thursday at 11:30 p.m. central time. I got the first act today off of KaZaA just to see how the season two finale messed with the first episode. So I've already been exposed to Dorothy One. And Roger being woken up by piano playing was also in a season two episode.
I can't wait to see all the episodes. Should be interesting.
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Sweet. Like the car? It's does more neat tricks in ....er...episode 13 (I think!).
As to the Megadues' under the water, I dont think that's changed by any "reset button". We'll talk after thursday's episode for that.
Roger is definitely NOT an android: he bleeds real good and doesnt weigh several hundred pounds.
The three robots that attack in the water in season two's opener are, I'm almost certain, made from parts of several of season one's robots. (notice the Megadues' face ubder the kooky one with the mask?).
Questions: Is Schwartzwald in season 2? He sure should be!
Is the Big Duo in season 2?
Have you seen a character called R.D. in season 2?
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Yes, Roger's car is neat. Most of season two all it does is carry Roger around, but in the penultimate episode, it goes into a battle mode. Pretty neat. It gets wrecked after it and Roger fall through the street in the same episode, I believe.
I agree that Roger isn't an android. After much more time thinking about the season two finale, I think it was a metaphor about Paradigm City being rewound and reset numerous times and Roger being in each new cycle. And the Dorothy doll could be representing that they are all "toys" to the director. I think. Still darned confusing.
I didn't catch the season opener; I only started watchin at the third episode of season two. I do know that in Act 20 "Stripes," Roger battles a Megadeus made of parts of older ones he has fought.
As for your questions: Yes, Schwartzwald makes at least two appearances in season two. In the first, he dumps multiple copies of a letter about the truth on Paradigm City. The second time he shows up is as a ghost of the Dominus of Big Duo during Big Duo's fight with Big O in Act 24 or 25. I think those are the only two big appearances he's made.
Yes, Big Duo appears towards the end of season two. We also see Big Fau towards the end as well as Big Venus in the finale. I don't recall there being a R.D. in season two unless he/she/it was in the first two episodes.
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I must be living Lee's sheltered life, cause I never have heard of this before....
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Well watch it tomorrow night at 11:30PM on Cartoon Network. Then tell us what ya think.
Basically, it's a mystery.
Kinda Batman meets James Bond in apocalyptic New York with David Lynch direction, rendered by some of the crew that made Cowboy Bebop, with giant robots, cute androids and many many many people getting killed. Plus: citywide amnesia of everything from before forty years before the first episode!
Downside: a theme song so bad, all your orifices will beed. Worse than the Starblazers theme.
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