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B.J.
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So while Atlantis is channeling 2001, SG1 is channeling Quantum Leap?

Must really suck to be burned to death at the stake, only to be brought back to life. Apparently it makes you feel all tingly.

Apparently the Ancients didn't evolve on Earth, but came from yet another galaxy. So, I guess their MO is create life everwhere in a galaxy, stand back, watch it go all to hell, then move on so someone else has to clean up the mess? I think they need a new hobby.

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Sol System
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The relatively graphic firey death was neat.

I can't get a handle on what they were doing with the origins of the gates and the Ancients and these new (old?) Ancients at all, and I'm hoping someone who paid closer attention will clear this up. What's the deal here, and was this particularly confusing or is it just me?

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Well, as I understand it, everyone thought the Ancients evolved on Earth. They built the stargates, a bunch of them flew off to Atlantis, the rest ascended, then the Atlanteans came back and mixed in with the humans who had since evolved on Earth.

Now, as it turns out, the Ancients were originally called the Altera, and hey came from another galaxy. They set out into space, stumbled across the Milky Way, named it "Avalon", and took up residence. Those are the (mostly) non-interfering Ancients we all know and love. The Altera who were left behind in the other galaxy, however, appear to have learned Ascension on their own, and have used it to become gods.

Now, as for the specifics of the episode... That test with the pots was really really stupid. All you have to do is open the right one first. You have a fifty-fifty chace of getting it right on the first try just by guessing. And, if you get it wrong, you're allowed to start over.

The test with the stones didn't make much sense, either. Do the symbols adjust themselves according to the person doing the test? If the test was set up back at the time of Ambrosius Aurelianus, those numerals, that form, hadn't been invented yet. And even the symbols they were based on would have been completely unknown in Europe. But, if the stones changed their shape because they knew what kind of numbers Mitchell would recognize, why did the pedestal's writing remain in Ancient?

And one minor issue: The couple of times we got to hear the blonde whose brain was being inhabited by Vala, why wasn't she speaking with Vala's accent?

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I kinda felt this was like ST3...a bunch of hash to drive the characters to a new story.

I felt like the tests were a little lame. Especially for Daniel to take that type of time to figure out the pots. Did anyone notice that there seemed to be no hole in the ceiling to fit around the pedestals? Would the pedestal sink under the weight of the ceiling? Or would the ceiling stop when it hit it?

The numerals thing made me think some writer must have just gotten his Mensa Membership packet and thought "Oh COOL", this will work in a story.

The dual...OK the swords go through everything except the opponents sword. So why didn't it just go through the wall or floor when it got tossed? Magic Beans?

I hope they bring this back to some semblance of what the show has had in the past. This is starting to seem like a fantasy version of The Amazing Race.

So, what's the deal with Oneall? I don't see him moving on to another post when this has been Everything to him. His life for years has been SGC and his team. If he's out who is dealing with the Asgard? Their little grey butts seem to hold him in high esteem. Then there's his team. I don't see him abandoning SGC with all the crap going on. Then there's Carter, is he boinking Carter or not? that seemed to be where the end of last season was headed, but it doesn't seem like they are even together.

AND...I missed the opening so when the doctor came in to Landry's office... I did a double take and asked my wife "Isn't that Rommie?"... Sure enough. Now there's a character switch I am going to have trouble with. Her doing the part of Rothery instead of all leather & attitude.

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Well, now she'll be all lab coat and attitude. Perhaps.

As for the sword, if it can tell who's holding it, and become physical or non-, accordingly, I'm sure it can tell when it's hitting the wall or floor.

And regarding O'Neill and Carter: That was O'Neill-who-went-to-the-past and Carter-from-the-alternate-timeline who got nasty in the puddle-jumper. The "real" O'Neill and Carter know nothing about that. And they didn't really make clear whether O'Neill is retired or not. If he's not, I doubt anything would be different than before.

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I was under the impression that O'Neill took over Hammond's job. Again.

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Mark Nguyen
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Isn't the mandatory retirement age for military personel around 60? Hammond was definitely in his mid-50s when SG-1 started (and Don Davis certainly was), and he was originally going to retire at the end of that TOD. That he stayed on for eight years (where if you think about it, they really should have replaced him at the outset with someone who'd be more than the appointed "custodian General" at the SGC) would be quite an accomplishment.

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by WizArtist II:
The numerals thing made me think some writer must have just gotten his Mensa Membership packet and thought "Oh COOL", this will work in a story.

What in the world makes you think any of the writers qualify for Mensa membership?
I mean, look at the show's premise. [Wink]

It sounds like Stargate is a couple of seasons overdue for ending- at this rate, ratings will drop, spinoffs will become tired and as cancellation looms, the writers will attempt to cram a solution to every loose end into one horribly rushed season a la' X-Files.

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Sol System
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They already wrapped up all their loose ends last season, hence the Knights of the Round Table business.

Well, except for those invisible insect people.

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Re'tu?

Yeah, I think they should have ended the series with the last season. Unlike the series finale of Angel for example, I feel a sense of closure. Plus members of SG-1 could have had cameos on Atlantis.

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I just had a thought about that. Seeing as where Atlantis airs right after SG-1 (right?), they could possibly do a two-hour telemovie sort of thing with both casts. That would be neat.

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Mark Nguyen
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That's sorta what they did with last season. SG-1's "Moebius" aired first as the two-hour finale, setting things up for the cumulative events in "The Siege" on the following Friday for Atlantis. Using that sort of formula for a massive "miniseries" type event with a two parter each finale with a major crossover would be awesome. Or alternatively, a direct crossover with an hour each of SG-1 and Atlantis tying into each other over two weeks, with each show detailing the events in their respective Galaxies and how they affect each other. THAT would be awesome.

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Jason Abbadon
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I think they should have one episode with every character ever shown from both series making a cameo.
The cameos could jsut flash on screen like a strobe light....during commercials, viewers could wipe the blood out of your eyes and stop screaming.

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And yet somehow I would bet Mark Leonard would make an appearance....along with Kevin Bacon.

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quote:
I just had a thought about that. Seeing as where Atlantis airs right after SG-1 (right?), they could possibly do a two-hour telemovie sort of thing with both casts.
The problem with that is that it kills the syndication market. They used to do crossovers like that, long long ago, where two shows would effectively form one episode, but it never worked in reruns because the odds of both episodes being aired in that order ever again were very slim. Buffy and Angel had a good approach to it, where the episodes worked independently, but each one contributed to understanding the other. Again, like "Mobieus" and "Siege".

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