quote: I've been meaning to check, because someone I know insists on this, but there may have been a couple of Mark VIIs tagging along with Roslin's ships before they hooked up with Galactica. Unfortunately, I don't have access to a copy of the miniseries.
Yes! After Boomer jumps to Roslin's fleet with the Tillium freighter in tow, she's talking to Colonial One's pilot. If you watch the scene, you can see three Viper Mark VIIs in formation.
quote: Did anybody else notice the Master At Arms in the corridor?
I didn't notice her the first time around, but I did with last night's repeat.
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I just noticed a very interesting thing on SciFi's official Galactica site... if you go to the ships information page and look at the Viper Mark VII, there's a "CAG Roster" popup that lists how many fighters they've got in active service, how many are down for repair, and how many pilots (and trainees) they have, too. It seems that the stats haven't been updated since last season, but at that count, they had only 35 Vipers, with two-thirds of them down for repairs. Scary.
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quote:Originally posted by Lee: Her hand wasn't bleeding, she had blood on her hand. From, y'know, down there. You're nerds using the internet, you know where I mean.
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Hence the doctor telling her "we're trying to save your baby."
Too bad they were somewhat vague about it. As I was saying, the baby could have been endangered by the mere loss of blood, wherever it was from...
Anyway, it still doesn't fit too well that at the beginning of "Final Cut" she's bleeding and later they're trying to save the baby's life, and then in "Flight of the Phoenix" she looks all fine, as if nothing had happened...
Given that what she did was literally plug herself into the Galactica's computer(s?) in order to get infected with the virus and then broadcast it to the Cylon fleet, it could be that the complications in "Final Cut" were a result of that.
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Good grief, how much do you want them to spell it out for you? Do you think they should've had an extreme close-up of blood coming out of her privates or something? She was bleeding, and there was no obvious wound, so therefore she was bleeding internally! Unless you're a naive child (and in that case, you probably shouldn't be watching the show anyway), it should be pretty obvious what was going on...
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Still grumpy about networks, but this isn't about that.
quote:Originally posted by machf: Given that what she did was literally plug herself into the Galactica's computer(s?) in order to get infected with the virus and then broadcast it to the Cylon fleet, it could be that the complications in "Final Cut" were a result of that.
Oooh, that's a good point. I suspect you're right, machf. Sharon's peril seems A) ill-explained and B) to not really do anything for the plot except make things even more tense. Along with the 'fleet' alluded to in 'Final Cut', it seems like we're seeing things out of order.
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I really don't think any extra explanation is needed to justify complications stemming from pregnancy. Humans have a really rough time with it, compared to our closest primate relatives. Also it is just plain freaky. And Sharon's carrying a hybrid, which is always tricky.
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Sure, that's what I thought first after watching that episode. Buf after watching this other one later, and thinking a bit over the next days, well, something just didn't seem right... it's clear that whatever caused all the bleeding was pretty bad, enough to make Boomer 2 very weak (and judging by what we saw of her while on Caprica, she's stronger than a human) and the doctor exclaim that "I'm trying to save your baby" line. However, there's no mention of it later. Even if most of them don't care about Boomer 2, they do care about the child. They could have had the doctor reporting later to someone about the causes and/or the chance of something like that happening again. But we only see a) Boomer 2 bleeding and b) later, cylon-Xena hearing all the fuss when they're trying to save the baby just as she passes by and thus having the chance to film her for the benefit of her audience, and nothing more. Usually, the writers have done better than that on this show - everything fits, like pieces in a puzzle. Then seeing Boomer on the next episode as if nothing had happened somehow doesn't feel right...
Now, if on this week's episode there's a mention of that incident with the baby, that would be another hint that the episodes may have originally intended to air in reversed order. We'll see.
And BTW, I checked and it's not Kat's Viper that the chief had to label as scrap (that was Viper 591, this other one is 289). Had it been the same, it would have been an indication that indeed, the episodes aired in the right order and I'd have no ground for speculation, but since they are different ones, it leaves open the possibility.
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I think that might be a production error -- the Viper looks identical in damage to the one Kat wrecked. Are you getting the number from the fighter itself, or the call-signs Kelly & Lee refer to it by?
"289" might be the permenant call-sign for the fighter, while "591" might be a flight-pattern designation of some sort.
I do agree that the episodes feel out of order -- not so much for the reasons cited about Boomer, though -- moreso for the atmosphere of the ship itself. The fleet has just reunited after a bitterly tense few weeks in Final Cut, yet they're in a GREAT mood. While, not long later, in "FoP", they're angry and swingin' at each other. Plus, it didn't seem like Helo would take THAT long to introduce himself to new members of the crew.
It almost seems like half of what was in "Final Cut" should've been in "Flight of the Phoenix" ... y'know?
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I think that might be a production error -- the Viper looks identical in damage to the one Kat wrecked. Are you getting the number from the fighter itself, or the call-signs Kelly & Lee refer to it by?
Well, just the callsign, as it was somewhat late and I just did a quick search until I found that scene. I didn't see any shot that would allow to read the number on the Viper itself.
quote: "289" might be the permenant call-sign for the fighter, while "591" might be a flight-pattern designation of some sort.
I thought of that too, so I heard the dialogue more than once. They say "Viper 591", not something like "flight 591". Of course, it can be to distinguish it from, say, "Raptor 591". Would they still be assigning flight numbers to single ships, with so few left? That's a whole other matter for discussion (and I think it's been considered before). Still, there's nothing definitive.
quote: I do agree that the episodes feel out of order -- not so much for the reasons cited about Boomer, though -- moreso for the atmosphere of the ship itself. The fleet has just reunited after a bitterly tense few weeks in Final Cut, yet they're in a GREAT mood. While, not long later, in "FoP", they're angry and swingin' at each other. Plus, it didn't seem like Helo would take THAT long to introduce himself to new members of the crew.
Yes, I read those reasons earlier. I was just adding some more.
quote: It almost seems like half of what was in "Final Cut" should've been in "Flight of the Phoenix" ... y'know?
Yes, that's more like it, actually. But, there are some scenes swhich are key to the plot of each episode and can't be swapped around. So, I'd say it's either trying to see if they fit better the other way around, or just accept the fact that they could have done better and didn't. Which would be a pity, having done so well until now...
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The computer screen probably displayed '591' and he was reading what it said, not trying to keep track of individual pilots. You never know, Transponder #591 might have been installed in viper-hull #289 and not reprogrammed yet...
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The tone felt wrong -- in large part because at the start of "Flight of the Phoenix", Helo and Tyrol were fighting and Starbuck and Racetrack weren't exactly being nice to each other - y'know? There weren't any fights in "Final Cut."
Further - it seems odd that Helo would wait so long before introducing himself to the new pilots aboard the Galactica. It felt out of place.
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