"Also, everything else that we've seen hit by the vortex has gotten completely vaporized, right? The fact that there was anything left of the toiletship afterwards is impressive in and of itself."
Well, the Ori ships have giant holes in the middle. Most of the vortex went through there. It just vaporized enough of the edge of that hole to cause the ship to star blowing up/breaking apart.
I can't remember, now... Does gravity, like radiation, propagate both ways through a wormhole? Was it a mistake that the Ori ship's debris stayed floating over the supergate, rather than being sucked in and completely destroyed?
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: What would its address have been?
Possibly the supergate and the new gate would have the same address while the regaular gate is there. I'm not sure if the supergate would have a DHD, but if not then presumably it would work on the same basis as an ordinary gate...where plugging in a DHD gives that gate primacy over the other. Like when the Russians used their gate with DHD to get teams there, rather than in to the SGC. I'd guess the supergate would be dialed using a ship-board dialer like you see on a jumper, and no doubt that wouldn't take over all functions of a static DHD considering it's not permenantly linked to a specific gate.
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quote:Also, what does this make? Five Wraith Hive Ships destroyed now? Six?
Ten, I think. This little group is making a sizeable dent in the Wraith population, for the number of casualties they've had.
TEN! In two(ish) seasons! That's gotta be at least five thousand wraiths...enough that you'd think that the wraith would be on a killing spree or at least desperately searching for a way to destroy Earth in retaliation. I mean, it's got to be at least 100 wariths for every human killed- that's got to be a huge threat to them.
So, from a story POV, either the Wraihs need to become way more powerful, way more ruthless (making for a darker show) or need to be replaced with something really menacing (just as the System Lords eventually were).
Another option is that the Wraith dont attack any more humans and focus on the less developed (and less threatening) races, and once Atlantis' secret is out (possibly via a surviving Michael) the refugees would flood through the Stargate to Atlantis as the only safe harbor from the Wraith.
Or the Wraith could harvest some leftover Aincent tech to attack atlantis with- I mean, they already know where all the old bases of the Aincents were, right?
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I think I may have an explanation for the gate's address:
When the Ori make a super-gate, a Prior goes to a planet through a regular gate. All the little pieces come through the gate and assemble in the formation of the super-gate. The Prior then encompasses the planet in a field that collapses it into a black hole, thus providing a power source for the super-gate. So, logically, the gate that Teal'c brought to the super-gate would have the same co-ordinates of the original gate before the planet went all squishy. Also, the super-gate would probably also have the same address. However, the point was made that in order to dial a gate of that size, you need another gate of the same size to establish a connection due to energy constraints, etc. Thus the nifty jumping technique.
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quote:The Prior then encompasses the planet in a field that collapses it into a black hole, thus providing a power source for the super-gate.
Er...the fuck!?! That woud make a lone "Prior" just uber-godlike in power- far FAR more powerful than anything ever shown in the series.
Really, that would allow a single Prior to destroy whole solar systems.
Far more likely is that the (now extradimensional "ascended" Ori are themselves powering the Supergate...and that could be how they'll get rid of the Ori- some sort of feedback or by sucking out all their power through the gate.
Or it could be that goofy Merlin thingie.
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It's far more likely you should catch the ep that Tophy is referring to before deciding what's far more likely.
Also, the Priors aren't here for wholesale destruction.
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Put simply, the Prior didn't have the power to create a black hole himself. He just created a forcefield around himself and the stargate that could absorb energy from enemy weaponry to expand. Once the forcefield encompassed the whole planet, it contracted again, forcing the mass of the planet to form a singularity that could power the supergate.
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As I was rewatching this tonight, I just noticed that Teal'C is piloting an Alkesh, not a scout/cargo ship. Have we ever seen one of these cloak before?
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Just a little behind in watching my Stargate...
just wanted to say that was an AMAZING episode. Very, very good.
I don't believe an explanation for the ability to dial two gates next to each other has been reached... maybe it's the fact that a small gate wouldn't normally dial a supergate so the small gate that Teal'c is protecting gets contacted first. The POWER of the blast in the Pegasus galaxy is not only enough to jump the connections but also power a super-gate.
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quote:Originally posted by B.J.: As I was rewatching this tonight, I just noticed that Teal'C is piloting an Alkesh, not a scout/cargo ship. Have we ever seen one of these cloak before?
Yes, actually... the very first time it appeared, in the big cliffhanger where they blew up that star. That was how it managed to ambush the captured mothership.
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Plus, we know that the supergates don't operate under normal operational constraints to begin with. The nuke plus the exploding Wraith ship was enough to make the wormhole jump tot he supergate; it's the black hole that will power both ends indefinitely, as seen before in the first season. The potential solution is to detonate something to make the wormhold jump back, but a supergate would probably require a charge much larger than anything the Priors and their forces could move to it. It would probably make more sense just to create a new supergate, which is what they'll doubtless be moving to do next.
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The wormhole is coming from Pegasus to the Milky Way. You could theoretically use that gate, but I wouldn't want to have to get near the black hole to do that!
I'm sure there are some effects on the Milky Way side, but that's a minor inconveniece to stop the Ori.
I just thought of something - the Ori had to collapse a planet into a singularity to power the first supergate. There was nothing around this one, so what did they do to power it? Obviously something on their end, but what? The first one would have been a nearly-permanent open gate, but this one isn't. Maybe this is the reason we haven't seen any more ships coming through is because they can't afford to power it up very often?
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