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I just got back from the movie... Anyway, I figured that Amidala was targeted for both reasons: To satisfy the Trade Federation guy and to get Jar Jar as a temporary Senator.
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Yeah, the Trade Federation didn't NEED her killed, they just wanted her dead for personal reasons.
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I'm not sure that Palpatine and Dooku were even the ones trying to kill Amidala. I think it was Gunray who asked Dooku to have her killed. I suspect Palpatine and Dooku were perfectly alright w/ that, since it helped them out, but I don't think they really cared if she died or not.
Also, it was presumably either Dooku or Sifa-Dyas who deleted Kamino from the Jedi database. They probably did it ten years earlier when the clones were first ordered.
And I highly doubt that the Sith had anything to do w/ the kidnapping of Shmi Lars. I think it's just one of many things that are making Anakin more resentful and pained, thus making him more susceptible to Palpatine whenever he does start trying to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.
And to answer the question of who ordered the clones... Ultimately, it must have been Palpatine. Sifa-Dyas was the one who ordered the clones from the Kaminoans. Dooku was the one who hired Jango Fett to be the clonee. We know Dooku works for Palpatine. Presumably Sifa-Dyas did, also.
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But doesn't Obi-Wan say that Sifa-Dyas DIED before the timeframe presented by the cloners? This would probably mean that someone (Dooku?) went to the cloners and impersonated Sifa-Dyas (on the off-chance that if someone started snooping around, it might hinder the investigation). Since Jango was recruited by Dooku/Tyranus, this theory makes sense.
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Speaking of the clone army ... they DID say they'd cloned 1,000,000 troops, right? Is that ENOUGH for a "Grand Army of the Republic" which consists of thousands of worlds? Somehow I think that might be a bit like the US having a standing army of 100 troops or so. Uh, nice, sure, but hardly great.
I took note of this when I saw the movie again today. Taun We told Kenobi that the first battallion was ready, weighing in at 200 000 troops. 1 000 000 more were on the way. I'd say the 200 000 was enough to deal with the skirmish on Geonosis, and by the end of the movie, the other 1 000 000 had arrived on Corsucant. Still, 1.2 million troops isn't really that much considering the size of the Republic. Palpatine's probably ordered a lot more, though.
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Obi-Wan said "I was under the impression [Sifa-Dyas] was killed before then". This doesn't mean it was necessarily a fact. Yoda and Windu still seemed to think that Sifa-Dyas was involved, even after Obi-Wan said that. They didn't say "He's right, Sifa-Dyas was dead, so who could it have been?".
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Those are some of the big questions that the movie intentionally left open. Who was Syfa-Dias? How was he involved in all of this? And who killed him?
Consider this: When Yoda is meditating on Anakin while he's slaughtering the Tuscans...we very clearly hear Qui Gon's voice say "Anakin!". The novelization of the book plays up the fact that Yoda heard his voice and was almost frightened by how strong it was. This fact combined with the other mention of Jinn in the movie, tells me that Qui Gon has somethign to do with all of this...something we're not aware of yet.
What if it was Jinn who killed Syfa-Dias? Perhaps he was tricked into doing it...perhaps he was acting on orders from the Senate or the Council.
As far as Palpatine's use of people and situations...keep in mind, his only goal is to obtain power. He knows he has to eliminate the Jedi to do it. Right now, Anakin is someone to keep an eye on. He's been playing him for years with an eye on making him an ally. But I don't think he's counting on him being his apprentice yet. But his invovement in the blockade/invasion of Naboo, his attempt to have Amidaa killed in Episode 1 and his invlovement in starting the Clone Wars have been for the sole purpose of gaining more power and eliminating the Jedi. He's got enough things going on, that the people around him are fairly expendable.
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I'm wondering why no one else seemed to notice a rather glaring connection between the clone army and Count Dooku. Because Jango Fett was the template for the Republic's clone soldiers... but Fett was fighting for Dooku in the big battle.
Shouldn't that be worrying to a lot of people?
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It probably wasn't widely known (especially by Dooku's other buddies) that Fett was the clone template. The cloners told Obi Wan, and Jango sort of confirmed it... but I doubt the Geonosians or the Trade Federation guys new about it. As far as they were concerned, Fett was just one of Dooku's "associates".
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Yeah, that part makes sense.... but why wasn't the REPUBLIC concerned that their clone template was fighting for the other side?
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Yah...Obi Wan will probably figure it out. But at that particular time, they had alot of other stuff going on.
Now...I'll have to watch for this... but did Obi Wan ever actually see Jango with Dooku? The council knew that Jango was being used as a template, but only Obi Wan knew what Jango looked like. If Obi Wan never saw Jango with Dooku, and if Obi Wan doesn't yet know that Dooku is the mysterious "Tryanus" who hired Jango... they may not put it together that he's working both sides.
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Now this is gonna be fun: I have no idea what you folks are talking about, since I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm gonna try and answer Aban's quetion anyway...
"Who was Syfa-Dias, and why is his status as deceased not firmly established or universally accepted?"
Umm, didn't we already have a presumed-dead case like this in the first trilogy? What if Syfa-Dias wasn't actually killed, but simply jumped over to the Cool Side? What if his real moment of death was witnessed in "TPM", when Obi-Wan chopped him in half?
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