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I always assumed Ben was his real name, and that "Obi-Wan" was some kind of... I dunno... Jedi appellation, or something. I mean, the Sith don't keep their names (who would be scared of Darth Palpatine or Darth Anakin?), so who says the Jedi do?
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I still think there is a reason why Qui-Gon wasn't mentioned to Luke and why he didn't show up with the other 3 spirits at the end of "Jedi" (and the reason "the character didn't exist yet" doesn't count). I believe it has something to do with why Qui-Gon's body didn't disappear when he died. Supposedly, Qui-Gin will be back (as a spirit) in the next film and Lucas has said that the 'non-disappearance' will be explained.
As for Yoda being the one who trained Obi-Wan: Yoda will likely continue giving Obi-Wan instruction even thought he is now a night, and the theory of going through some sort of general training as a very young boy has merit. He was probably trained by Yoda and other Jedi in a 'intorduction course' before being apprenticed as a Padawan to Qui-Gon.
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About the disappearing thing, Obe wan disappeared in ANH, I can't remember(hangs head in shame) but I think Yoda disappeared, but apart from that we don't see any other Jedi disappear. Even if we discount the Dark Jedi, who don't seem to disappear, I don't think it should be regarded as anomalous that Qui-Gonn doesn't disappear when he dies.
I think it has something to do with being ready to rejoin the force. When Obe Wan died he turned off his sabre and closed his eyes, ready to die. Yoda died naturally so one would expect him to disappear, but Qui-Gonn was clearly caught by surprise when he died.
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Yes, Yoda disappeared. Of course, since he and Obi-Wan are really the only Jedi we've seen die (until Qui-Gon), it doesn't mean much to say they're the only ones who disappeared. Perhaps it has something to do w/ being a Jedi Master, and Qui-Gon didn't go since he was just a knight. He was just a knight, wasn't he? It's hard to tell, since Obi-Wan told him he could be on the council if he didn't keep opposing them (which would suggest he's at the same level as them).
Also, we don't know if Palpatine or Vader disappeared. We didn't see Vader disappear, but he may not have completely died 'til he was off screen. And Luke may just have been burning his suit/robot parts. After all, he did show up as a "Force ghost" w/ Yoda and Obi-Wan at the end.
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Qui-Gon was a master, I think...either way, Darth Vader seemed surprised when Obi-Wan disappeared in ANH.
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The fact that Vader didn't seem to know about the Jedi "becoming one with the Force" makes me think that something deeper is going on here. I think Qui-Gon did something on purpose regarding his death...
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I have a better question than all of this: why the heck did Qui-Gon die!? He had a hole in his abdomen the width of a lightsabre (however large that may be), plus a little more to account for the fact that Maul couldn't have pulled it straight out. The hole didn't pass through any vital organs, nor would he have bled to death, as the wound would have been cauterized, like Luke's arm was. So what killed him? I think maybe he went into a Jedi healing trance or something, and wasn't really dead when we thought he was. Then, when his body determined that he couldn't be healed, he passed on voluntarily without regaining consiousness.
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How do you know that no vital organs were hit, though?
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Well, the only immediately vital organs in your body are really the heart, lungs, and brain. Without any of them, you're dead inside of two minutes. If it'd pierced his heart, he probably would have died a lot sooner than he apparently did, baring some Jedi trick. I don't see why a small cauterized hole in your lung would cause that much interference, really. Besides, he seemed to be hit in the abdomen, where there ARE no immediately vital organs.
On second thought, I suppose the sabre could have pierced a major artery. He wouldn't bleed to death, but the cauterization would stop blood to a large portion of his body, and possibly cause some serious pressure to build up on his heart.
So ignore everything I just said.
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Actually, a hole the size of a lightsaber blade in your chest/abdomen, cauterized or not would probably kill you. If it didn't hit a lung or the heart, it could've hit the liver, spleen, intestines, any number of things in that area which aren't immeadiately fatal, and it defintely went through his spinal column (as I recall it pierced all the way) which is paralyzed for sure unless bacta can fix it (though it didn't do much for Luke's hand ).
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The sabre-blade looks to be about three inches thick from a distance, but actually the real blade of the sabre isn't thicker than a few millimetres. You can see that by observing the cuts in objects in TESB for instance.
The non-transparent hue surrounding the blade is probably just rotating light/plasma/em-field that, although it probably is very hot, just serves some function in the intricate mechanics of the sabre, like stabalizing the blade itself.
If, however, one would move it around in the wound you'd work up a bigger hole!
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Omega's theory sounds a bit iffy to me. I agree that the light sabre wound Qui-Gonn received wouldn't kill him for quite a while but I think it's more a matter of lack of realism on Lucas' part. Maybe he didn't want to have jets of blood spurting out of Qui-Gonn's heart, for the sake of the kiddies.
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