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I saw this a couple of days back- the new Botany Bay is decidely cool (as is the toned-down Enterprie) and looks a tad smaller than it's original form.
It could have just been the early hour (6 a.m.!) but I did not see anything else added in (no Checkov in the background for example).
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Well Space Seed wasn't really a special effects filled episode, so I can understand why only the space scenes were changed. And speaking of space scenes, kudos to the remastered people for the Botany Bay. It looked really weathered. I wonder if anyone ever went back to retrieve it though. It would have made a nice Starfleet Museum piece.
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Er,,,I thought the ship landed (or most of it anyhow) to establish the colony's first buildings/living quarters. Chekov does find part of the intact hull after all...
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Those were cargo carriers and according to Okuda's trivia track on the DVD they're the same ones seen being hauled about by workbees and stacked in the Ent's cargo bay in TMP, so they're probably Starfleet issue. Which explains where some of their supplies came from, specifically Khan's "Starfleet" medallion and possibly where he got the Big Bumper Book of Klingon Proverbs (Junior Illustrated Edition.)
Plus I don't think that thing could have made a sucessful planet fall without burning up. Well, re-entry maybe, but it would have to have been a chute & airbag assisted splashdown, rememebr this thing is supposed to be 1996 technology.
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...1996 technology like manned interplanetary travel, cryogenics and artificial gravity!
Agreed that those containers probably came from the Enterprise, even if they look somewhat bigger than their TMP equivalents. The belt buckle that cues Chekov, though... Why did Khan take that with him when ditching his ship? One would have to assume that Khan beamed across some stuff when taking over the Enterprise, perhaps weapons (although those would be primitive) or mementos from his Princely days.
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I always figyred the DY-100's cargo pods would make planetfall -much like lifeboats do- and then be made of a modular construction so as to be the framework for the colony's first structures. The ship's stardrive is probably not salvaged, but it's power plant probably is.
With regards to the starfleet stuff Kahn's crew had, much of it was probabaly donated by the Enterprise to suppliment the Botany Bay's meager provisions: rations, medical supplies etc. Kahn's 'lil chickadee would have brought her library (tapes) with her (explaining Kahn's knowing Klingon rip-offs from earth culture).
I always wondered how many of Reliant's crew perished on Ceti Alpha 3...consider that Kahn's ship was only made for about 90 super-bozos- Reliant likely had a crew of three times that number.
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I'm very glad to see the Botany Bay got some proper visible propulsion units. It's hard enough to make this 1990s tech, even without magical invisible rockets like the original model has.
quote:I always wondered how many of Reliant's crew perished on Ceti Alpha 5...
L.A.Graf say "All of them". My bet would be "Two redshirts"; Starfleeters aren't incompetents, at least if there are no heroes nearby who have to be made to look good in comparison.
quote:Originally posted by Timo: ...1996 technology like manned interplanetary travel, cryogenics and artificial gravity!
Good point, though that last one might also apply to the 20th Century cryosatellite from TNG. Mind you, Khan and the rest of the "Augments" were supposed to be as intelligent as they they were strong, so it's not much of a leap that they made advances in cryogenics, deep space propulsion, life support systems and aeronautics (along with, I imagine some rather nasty weapons) that were either lost in the war or classified and intentionally buried by the various governments that defeated them. But that's straying into conjecture.
quote: I always figyred the DY-100's cargo pods would make planetfall -much like lifeboats do- and then be made of a modular construction so as to be the framework for the colony's first structures. The ship's stardrive is probably not salvaged, but it's power plant probably is.
Certainly possible, though they don't look designed for the task. My pet theory would be that one of the pods had a small disassembled shuttle that they planned to reassemble in orbit of whatever planet they planned to settle on, leaving the rest of the ship as an satellite/outpost. But again I stray into speculation.
quote:I always figyred the DY-100's cargo pods would make planetfall -much like lifeboats do- and then be made of a modular construction so as to be the framework for the colony's first structures. The ship's stardrive is probably not salvaged, but it's power plant probably is. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly possible, though they don't look designed for the task. My pet theory would be that one of the pods had a small disassembled shuttle that they planned to reassemble in orbit of whatever planet they planned to settle on, leaving the rest of the ship as an satellite/outpost. But again I stray into speculation.
An orbital station is an intresting notion...maybe the "stem" of the ship served as both weather and communications satellite.
From my ship-design POV, the bulky cargo pod things open up to reveal the ship's re-entry landers (holding the framework for the colony) much like storm shutters open. The pods with crew still mostly in crypsleep make planetfall (the colony leader and a few revived others choosing a suitable location and directing the pods from the ship in sync orbit). Once the colony is down, computers slowly revive the colonists while the leader and party position the ship in stable orbit and take the last lander to the surface with whatever portable power supply is available to them. There's "living off the land", but these are supermen for pete's sake- they'd want as much technology as possible to establish the best colony possible from the start.
I wonder how far Kahn's bunch made it before the star went all nova on them...I'd guess they had some advance warning (if only hours/days) to build additional (makeshift) radiation shielding for the cargo pods... I gotta say, those stupid twiggy solar panel thingers bug me bigtime. I'd love to make a pristine DY-100 with huge outboard solar arrays: the Botany bay's having been sheared off decades ago by micrometeorites or what have you. Hmmm...maybe the ones on the "BB" open up from those tiny packahes?
Ya know...the more I see STII, the more I see Kirk as the story's true villan- what a total prick to leave those people out there to die. Imagine another universe where Kirk saves Kahn and they become...well, not pals, but at least respectful allies. Again, fuck Kirk- history should judge him harshly.
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I don't think that's true. I mean, Khan was a despot. Kirk rescued him from eternal floating in space, and Khan repaid him by stealing his ship and trying to kill him. Kirk sentenced him to exile. Seems fairly reasonable.
I was actually surprised by the ending of "Space Seed", not having seen it in a while. Kirk makes no promises to come back and check on Khan. He seems to make it pretty clear that his position is "I'm going to abandon you on this planet, and you'll probably never see civilization again". And Khan was cool with that. Just because an unforeseeable disaster later struck, that's not Kirk's fault.
Remember, these were criminals whose sentence was to be left to their own devices on a remote planet. Stopping by every few months to say "Hey, how's everything going here? Need anything? Food, medicine, towels?" kind of defeats the purpose.
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Again with the star going nove. It didn't! The next planet out went blooey (although I know of no astronomical reason why this would happen), and that altered Ceti Alpha V's orbit and fucked over the global climate.
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