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Starship Freak
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How many Galaxy-class variants do we have now?
Here�s my count:

1. Standard Galaxy (USS Enterprise-D)
2. Alternate timeline Galaxy (Riker�s ship)
3. Weapons modified Galaxy (USS Venture, phasers on nacelles)
4. Modified Galaxy (THe one with the black "spine")
5. Modified Galaxy II (The one with active impulse-engines in saucer-section)

(My galaxy-class page: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/misc/galaxy.htm )

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I think the "modified Galaxy II" should be considered more of a setting than a modification. Apparently, Starfleet just found the ship's impulse combat performance lacking. The added-weapons USS Venture might be a one-off experiment, while the dark spines might in turn be something applied to already existing basic ships as well as to newbuilds. Do the dark spines persist to the final episodes or "Tears" close-ups as well?

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Michael Dracon
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Nope, they were only visible in episodes between 'Call to Arms' and 'Sacrifice of Angels' (and not in either of the two mentioned episodes).

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And not even in the battle scenes! Only just prior in front of starbase 375, where the Fleet was regrouping.
Are these "black-spine" galaxy really persistend? Maybe it was just an odd camera-angle or a shadow.

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We saw two of the black-neck Galaxies...it did in fact appear to be a painted-on design or something.

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To me the black neck Galaxies are either just a painted on design or just a trick of shadows. I am going for the shadows because I don't think Starfleet would approve for a non standard look to their ships. However it would be neat to see Defiant class ships painted in an array of color schemes!

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These black strips could just as easily be structural reinforcements of some kind.

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I'm going for the idea that the black necked Galaxies are distinct variants. I see no reason for these ships alone to have been painted since we've seen no other "custom" paint jobs on other starships, and disruptive paint schemes might fool the human eye but not sensors. Also, after having looked at the picture of the two black necked Galaxies at pIn'a' Sov's site (nice site, BTW!), I don't think that they are shadows. The dark areas are identical in size and shape, despite the fact that one ship is further away and slightly offset laterally, and thus away from whatever could possibly be generating the shadow. What probably happened was that the FX guys used the same CG image twice, but just scaled it for distance.

This still begs the question of "Why?"


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Shik
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Actually? Looks like a CGI bleedthrough. Like they modeled a separate battle section & separate saucer, then stuck the 2 together.

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But, then why is the black panel on both the saucer and the neck? If the CGI guys made separate saucers and neck/secondary hulls, shouldn't the black panel only be on one of the two sections? I can see what you mean about the bleed-through; the curved section does resemble the neck underneath. However, since its on-screen there must be some sort of logical explanation for it within the actual Trek universe.

My favorite explanation is that Star Fleet decided that the separate battle section was a failure for some reason, and locked the saucer to the secondary hull, perhaps for more impulse power, phaser banks, shield generators, etc. The dark area could then be a structural reinforcement, as was previously mentioned, intended to strengthen the former joint between the two. This might not preclude an emergency saucer separation, a la Enterprise-D, but it might preclude a casual separation. It might also explain why we saw whole Galaxies during the Dominion War arc, and not battle sections.

Just a theory.

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Why would Galaxy Classes separate during a battle, especially during the Dominion War? It's an emergency procedure only, for worst case scenarios. The saucer section would be somewhat of a sitting duck without warp engines. We saw already what a small group of the Dominion fighters did to a whole Galaxy Class starship. Even with all the defensive and offensive advancements, a Galaxy saucer alone might as well have a target painted on the hull.

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Thanks, constellation of one.

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IIRC, the explanation of a separation sequence on Galaxy class ships was mentioned back in the series as a battle maneuver getting the saucer away from a battlefield the save the crew's families. It could also serve as a way to create two attacking targets if there was no family on the saucer. And there is always the emergency separation from the stardrive in case of antimatter containment failure.

And all these explantions might also have been explained in the TNG Tech Manual.

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Here's a nice simple possibility: when the stored Galaxy hulls were rushed into service during the Dominion war they were finished off with whatever materials were at hand and sometimes this resulted in different hull colouration when compared to the more mainstream earlier ships.

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Or, perhaps the paint job (or the thin ablative surface layer) required some sort of protective coating to dry properly, and this dark coating wore off in flight, leaving the recently launched ships with just a dark shadow over their stern parts in the SB375 scenes of "SoA" and with not even that in the battle scenes of the episode, or in later episodes...

Migth explain the difference in warp effects between TOS and TNG: the surface finish of TOS ships had adhesion problems and tended to peel off, creating colorful contrails (the brightest in TMP where the Enterprise was freshly painted, and fading towards the end of the movie series). TNG ships have more adhesive paint. :-P

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