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OK I need a timeline of each particular gate.
1. Alpha Gate found in Giza 1929 2. Taken to the US not DHD 3. Used once in the 40's and the mothballed 4. Used again in the early nineties then mothballed 5. Used again in 1997-now
Beta Gate - found in Antarctica by O'Neil and Carter. Taken to Groom Lake Facility/Nellis AF Base (Area 51) and mothballed (or thought so).
Found out in "Touchstone" that what they had there at Area 51 was plastic. Beta gate had been used by the NID to do their own travels to other worlds. Located and recovered in Utah. Real Beta Gate mothballed and welded shut with a Trinum iris and placed under the command of the SGC.
The Alpha gate is taken by SGC to Thor's ship in "Small Victories" - so they can escape the destruction of the Belisknar and gate to the Alpha Site. General Hammond orders the unpacking of the Beta Gate.
In "Waterworld" we find that the Alphagate survived the uncontrolled reentry into Earth's atmosphere and the Russians found it and took it home. THEY have the original DHD that the Nazi's took and studied from the Alpha gate in Giza.
In "Redemption, Part II" - the SGC loose the BETA gate buy attaching it to the X-302 and sending it far enough away from Earth to preven Anubis from destroying Earth. The US subsequently buys the ALPHA gate BACK from Russia.
Is that the state of play now? Beta is basically kaput.
How'd the Russians reassemble the Alpha gate that was floating in the water at the end of season 3? I thought it was in pieces - apparantly it wasn't.
What happened to the DHD from Antarctica?
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I seem to remember that the Beta Gate's DHD was stored at Groom Lake with the Gate itself and was being used by the NID to power their Gate. When the SGC began using the Beta Gate, they didn't need the DHD because they had the computer they'd always used. After they got the Alpha Gate back, the Beta DHD would be usless and is probably sitting in a closet somewhere.
I do remember that the SGC got ahold of Russia's Alpha DHD to try and save T'ealc, but it was destroyed in the attempt.
I could be wrong about this... I'm not quite current on SG-1, but I'm working on it.
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And I thought the thread had something to do with Microsoft...
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Actually, the beta DHD recovered "stopped working" according to Carter, after experimentation with it at Area 51. They were never very clear on that point, but it ran out of power or they took it apart and couldn't put it back together or something. The point was they had to have the plot point of going to Russia and borrowing (and subsequently toasting) the Alpha DHD.
The Alpha gate wasn't *destroyed* in the Asgard crash - what was floating on the water was just pieces of Beliskner. The Russians probably found it during or after "Small Victories" as part of that incident, and with the help of their own records and Colonel Maybourne they got their "on the cheap" program working.
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Stargates are extremely hard to destroy, apparently. We've had them sitting on worlds that have been turned into balls of superheated plasma and still be active. The only one I remember being permanantly broken is the beta gate, destroyed by Anubis' Ancient weapon specifically designed to do such things.
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Another thing, Major Davis said that the fireball (the Belisknar) was to set down off the coast of California... but the Russians got to it first??
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You'd be surprised. For starters, even an uncontrolled ballistic re-entry can cover many THOUSANDS of kilometers from the deorbit to landing. Depending on when the ship started to break up, it could be almost anywhere on its way in.
Secondly, even today Russian subs have been known to skirt the edges of US and Canadian nautical borders when at sea. It was not surprising at all that they found the wreckage first.
Thirdly, about the destruction of Stargates: they once dumped one into a sun, and did say that it would be destroyed - but not before it helped destroy the star itself. Also, Teal'c once said that Nirrti destroyed a Stargate as part of a deception against another System Lord. He may have been just exaggerating or relating a tale of legend, which in turn could have been exaggerated because of the deifying the Goa'uld tend to gice their histories. But still...
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Not to mention the gate that lasted a year and a half in low orbit of a black hole while the gravitational gradient had already turned the planet it was on into an asteroid belt...
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I've always wondered what would have happened to the SG10 team on that blackhole planet - when the sun's matter started to come through?? At their speed it would have happened quite quickly
in reality - very slowly?? no.
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I think that by that time they'd be rather dead - the planet would likely have been converted into rubble long before they had the idea of sucking a sun through the gate.
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I've never studied general relativity in detail, but wouldn't that planet have been rubble long before they started experiencing such severe time dilation?
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That episode... when I think I've got my head around it - something else knocks it over! Great ep.
Isn't it like this... the area they are in is moving basically at a stand-still but to them everything would happen normally - so yeah they ran, and got sucked into the blackhole already in time OUTSIDE the blackhole's event horizon - but for them they are still running towards the gate?
The wierd thing is the stargate - which is like a tunnel beyond the event horizon... between two different time speeds. Does SG-10 get a face-full of Sun - or does the blackhole?
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How could the SG10 team have ever got that far from the gate in the first place?
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The relativistic effects seem to increase throughout the teaser... maybe the blackhole was just forming and the event horizon had just moved through their position?
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