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Please tell me, O wise and knowledgeable Liberal nut-heads.
Why does Bush- someone with honor and integrity but who occasionally flubs things- seem so much worse than Gore-a demogogue who can't seem to stop lying?
Don't misinterpret that as an attack, either. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "it's the economy, stupid" before.
Also, remember, there's a current scandal in Texas involving a funeral management company or something that Gore is involved in -- and there is clear and definite proof that he lied about that (I posted the article around here somewhere a day or so ago).
So it's not Bush's intellectual prowess v Gore's lying, 'cuz guess what? Bush is as red handed as anyone.
Besides, this is America. We the people have been nurtured to the idea that ALL POLITICIANS LIE. Someone says "so-and-so told a lie!" and that's expected.
But, Jeff, how does Bush, who flubs things and lies, suddenly become so much better than Gore? And I doubt very much that Dubya has honor or integrity -- sorry, dude. I think that became clear when he attacked that reporter a month or so ago.
------------------ "[Smith] ran on an agenda that was revolutionary for his time -- a 45 cent minimum wage, limiting the workweek to six days, building a bridge to the 1930's -- and I want to say it's quite a tribute to Al Smith that Governor Bush has adopted the same agenda." - Al Gore
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A Republican candidate usually "seems so much worse" to liberals. A Democratic candidate usually "seems so much worse" to conservatives. No matter what the truth really is--and you can't really tell what the truth is anyway. It's a difference of perspective.
------------------ "The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." --Albert Eistein
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And here's the kicker Jeff: Bush has got poor communication skills, no matter how earnest he is. And quite frankly, I don't want someone running the country when I know I can speak better English than he can.
------------------ "[Smith] ran on an agenda that was revolutionary for his time -- a 45 cent minimum wage, limiting the workweek to six days, building a bridge to the 1930's -- and I want to say it's quite a tribute to Al Smith that Governor Bush has adopted the same agenda." - Al Gore
Bush's Lies -------------------------- (we'll take the one you've stated, since its the only one I've heard about, whether or not it be true)
Gore's Lies ------------------------- He lies about his mother-in-law and his dog taking the same drug. He lies about Winifred Skinner having to collect cans to pay for her prescriptions. He lies about discovering the Love Canal He lies about inventing the Internet He lies about himself and Tipper being the model couple in Love Story He lies about authoring the Earned Income Tax Credit He lies about helping to create the Strategic Petroleum Reserves.
I can come up with more, if you'd like.
Oh, but really, we can forgive all this... Gore is so much more an eloquent speaker than Bush is, so he deserves to be President more than Bush does.
If you have listened to Bush's address at the Al Smith Dinner(I can provide audio clips, if you wish), as well as his satellite address last week, you'd find that Bush is actually not that bad of a speaker.
You might as well vote for Gore because he has nicer hair.
If you want to vote for someone who wants to "limit freedom", be my guest.
Do you know who Zack Exley is? He operated This Site. When Bush found about about this, he called Exley a "Garbage man" and also that there should be "limits to freedom." (Washington Post, April 20, 2000)
Al Gore exagerates about creating the internet (he actually never claimed to, Jeffy boy, although he did take quite a bit of iniative in pushing through Government support for it), and Bush wants to take away personal freedoms ... and suddenly, Gore is the bad guy?
Hello, this country is founded on freedom ... and George Dubya says "uh-uh!" ????
As for lies, do you remember Dubya claiming that he "brought Republicans and Democrats together to get a patients' bill of rights through." He vetoed the bill, Jeff. He told what is called a "whopper" ... yes, a lie. Jon Alter
And how is Houston the most polluted city? Bush said "we have a lot of cars. We're a big city." Um, hhmm ... bigger than New York or LA? I think not.
I mean, come on, during the debate, Bush couldn't even give specifics on his own tax cut plan! GOOD LORD!
------------------ "[Smith] ran on an agenda that was revolutionary for his time -- a 45 cent minimum wage, limiting the workweek to six days, building a bridge to the 1930's -- and I want to say it's quite a tribute to Al Smith that Governor Bush has adopted the same agenda." - Al Gore
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B: A quite comment to an aide is hardly an attack. Not that he was wrong.
JK2:
"Bush has got poor communication skills, no matter how earnest he is. And quite frankly, I don't want someone running the country when I know I can speak better English than he can."
Are you really that shallow when it comes to voting? What the eff difference does it make that he can't speak well in public!? He's got the better ideas, the leadership skills, the credibility, and the record. Gore has... what?
Not that JR didn't say all that already.
JK2:
"If you want to vote for someone who wants to "limit freedom", be my guest."
He's voting for BUSH, remember?
As for that website, last I checked, libel was illegal, and calling someone a crackhead with the direct intent to harm them is libel. Unless you can prove it, that is.
"As for lies, do you remember Dubya claiming that he "brought Republicans and Democrats together to get a patients' bill of rights through." He vetoed the bill, Jeff."
IIRC, he vetoed a DIFFERENT PBoR. I seem to recall there being one on the books.
"And how is Houston the most polluted city?"
Why don't you ask the Democrat mayor? Or the Democrat governor under whom it got that bad?
"I mean, come on, during the debate, Bush couldn't even give specifics on his own tax cut plan!"
Really? I must have missed that, what with all Gore's mischaracterization of (read: lying about) it. Example, please.
------------------ Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh? Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns. Pilot: Americans it is. - "due South"
"Do you know who Zack Exley is? He operated This Site. When Bush found about about this, he called Exley a "Garbage man" and also that there should be "limits to freedom."(Washington Post, April 20, 2000)"
If I created a webpage called "www.jeffkarde.com" and included nothing but slander against you, how would you respond? And if that link is supposed to show where Bush said this, all it does is bring me to the front page.
"Al Gore exagerates about creating the internet (he actually never claimed to"
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Al Gore, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999. Gore supported technological advances related to the advancement of the Internet, but to say that HE took the initiative in creating the Internet is a bit much.
"As for lies, do you remember Dubya claiming that he "brought Republicans and Democrats together to get a patients' bill of rights through." He vetoed the bill, Jeff." That's not what I heard. He did veto one, but after that, he signed another one after he got together to work it out with both Democrats and Republicans
"And how is Houston the most polluted city? Bush said "we have a lot of cars. We're a big city." Um, hhmm ... bigger than New York or LA? I think not."
Don't even bring this in. Houston is run by a Democrat Mayor, who refuses to do anything about it, not to mention that most of the statistics being used by the Democrats are outdated by, say, 8 years!
"I mean, come on, during the debate, Bush couldn't even give specifics on his own tax cut plan! GOOD LORD!"
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I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to realize that Bush and Gore are both shitheads. I mean, come on... You can find all sorts of things wrong w/ the person you're against, but you somehow rationalize everything someone points out about the person you're for. The way I see it, just reading unbiasedly through this and other threads on the subject, one can find enough wrong w/ both candidates to realize that neither one ought to be president...
------------------ "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -Yasir Arafat on religious wars
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"And quite frankly, I don't want someone running the country when I know I can speak better English than he can."
Hwaet gecynd thes Englisces?
"The way I see it, just reading unbiasedly through this and other threads on the subject, one can find enough wrong w/ both candidates to realize that neither one ought to be president..."
I'm certainly not voting for either...
------------------ Frank's Home Page "Gardening for Dummies is too intense." - Rick
------------------ Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh? Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns. Pilot: Americans it is. - "due South"
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Well, then, lets bring it down to what it all comes down to:
IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID
And that's the damn truth. You can't deny that the nation's economy is doing GREAT right now -- employment is low, people are making the dough.
And that's what counts ... =)
------------------ "[Smith] ran on an agenda that was revolutionary for his time -- a 45 cent minimum wage, limiting the workweek to six days, building a bridge to the 1930's -- and I want to say it's quite a tribute to Al Smith that Governor Bush has adopted the same agenda." - Al Gore
You actually believe that Clinton and Gore actually had something to do with this economy?!
*LMFAO*
Just about every economist will tell you that Presidents, or any politician, has almost NO effect on the economy, with exception to raising and lowering taxes. Just because it happened while He was there, doesn't mean he had anything to do with it. I'm sorry, but the economy is NOT a valid rebuttal.
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