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Going back to the Motion Picture blueprints, both the refit Enterprise and the K'tinga class have cloaking devices. Makes sense if the Feds got a hold of the cloaking device in the Enterprise Incident, but whay didn't they use it in any of the later movies?
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I've always thought that the "cloaking/stasis generator" as mentioned in those David Kimble prints was more of a "stealth package" - something along the lines of ECM for starships, if you will - not a true cloaking device. Basically, those systems would make it harder for anyone to get sensors or weapons lock on the ship, especially if they were of lower technological level than "modern" Star Fleet.
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And what blueprints might these be? Pre-production sketches? Unofficial fandom drawings? Either way, they're not worth squat.
Sure, some kind of ECM is reasonable -- but we've NEVER seen something like that in use on a Starfleet ship before, IIRC. (I know; doesn't mean it's not there... but you'd think they'd have used it at one point or another after all these years.)
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Although interestingly (or not), it is mentioned that the Enterprise has a cloaking device in several of the novelisations of the first 6 Star Trek films. The Enterprise-A uses it as it's flying towards Kitomer in ST VI (and then turns it off when they arrive, with hopes of drawing out Chang's BOP), and it's mentioned at the beginning of the ST V novelisation that the cloak isn't working yet. Were these comments in the original scrips that Dillard was working from, or did he add them himself?
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Roddenberry said that the only canon things are MOvies and eps and scripts. Wasn't the Treaty of Algeron the treaty that prevented UFP from using cloaking devices?
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quote:Originally posted by Sargon: Actually, they are the Official Paramount Pictures approved blueprints from when ST:TMP was released. I think they are worth more than squat.
So? Last I heard, Paramount also officially approved "Enterprise." Doesn't mean that's canon, either.
I know, I'm being difficult. But in all seriousness, Roddenberry himself stated at one point that Starfleet ships shouldn't have cloaking devices. I wish I had a specific citation for you (aside from the second- or third-hand Encyclopedia attribution).
Anyway, if the Enterprise-A had a cloaking device, why wouldn't they have used it -- not only while heading towards Khitomer (as someone above hinted in the novelization) -- but also while they were heading into Klingon space towards Rura Penthe? We could've avoided that silly translation scene on the Bridge, with everyone flipping through books to figure out how to say "carrying supplies and things" in Klingon.
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That is actually mentioned in the novelisation. The explanation given is that the cloak is only really effective with ship sensors. Both sides have monitoring stations up which can detect cloaked ships, to a certain degree.
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Only certain aspects of ST VI. But then he also said he loved the film. Crazy.
He said ST V wasn't canon.
But that really doesn't matter. You can't come up with your own definitions of what is or is not canon. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the motion pictures are all canon. Nothing else is. Some stuff is "semi-canon", but that can be dropped as easily as, say, TAS.
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Wasn't there some kind of jamming or ecm at work in the DS9 episode with the Valiant? Something about them having to get almost point-blank before they could accurately target their torpedo?
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: And what blueprints might these be? Pre-production sketches? Unofficial fandom drawings? Either way, they're not worth squat.
Sure, some kind of ECM is reasonable -- but we've NEVER seen something like that in use on a Starfleet ship before, IIRC. (I know; doesn't mean it's not there... but you'd think they'd have used it at one point or another after all these years.)
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The treaty was supposedly signed well after ST:6. IIRC it was after the Tomed Incident in 2311.
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After Star Trek VI. The Romulan War was in the 2150s. I think the Tomed Incident was indeed ended with the Treaty of Algeron. Hopefully, we'll find out in the Lost Era book that deals with the Incident.
We know Section 31 (and maybe some of Starfleet Intelligence's less Big Brother-y ships) have cloaking devices, and use them.
We know Federation research is continuing, albeit on the sneak, as with the Pegasus' phase-cloak.
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: And what blueprints might these be? Pre-production sketches? Unofficial fandom drawings? Either way, they're not worth squat.
As already mentioned, the officially licensed - and at the time approved by Gene Roddenberry himself - ST:TMP Blueprint set. Just because they've since been "de-canonized" by Paramount is what really doesn't mean nor worth a "squat", IMNSHO.
Anyhow, a lot of Treknology related works followed suit, to include the collective works of Star Fleet Printing Office, Star Station Aurora and Strategic Design, to name a few. I've never thought that this was meant to represent a real cloak, but more of a countermeasures device against certain levels of technology.
quote:Sure, some kind of ECM is reasonable -- but we've NEVER seen something like that in use on a Starfleet ship before, IIRC. (I know; doesn't mean it's not there... but you'd think they'd have used it at one point or another after all these years.)
And ECM isn't specifically mentioned in a great many movies and TV shows featuring military vehicles and set in modern times, yet we know that pretty much ALL U.S. military aircraft, ships and now a number of ground vehicles feature ECM packages. Does that mean they don't work unless we hear them mentioned or are specifically turned on by the characters in those shows...?
Besides, c'mon, man. It's only mentioned when it's needed for the plot. Just recognize it for what it is and move on w/life.
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