quote: And what blueprints might these be? Pre-production sketches? Unofficial fandom drawings? Either way, they're not worth squat.
Actually, they are the Official Paramount Pictures approved blueprints from when ST:TMP was released. I think they are worth more than squat.
For what it's worth, Andy Probert told me he himself made up the labels for those blueprints. That's why the Klingon ship has Bolognium engine components.
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My pet theory about the Tomed incident is that it involved cloaked Federation ships being discovered in Romulan space, followed by a Romulan retaliation. I don't see why late 23rd century Starfleet couldn't have had at least some ships with cloaking devices. They certainly must have had the technology.
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^Makes sense to me! Maybe some Intel gathering ships? The FASA RPG attempted to explain the probe that gathered the images during the V'Ger Incident as being a small, cloaked drone, IIRC. Seems logical to me, anyhow. Even if you have no plans to invade your enemy, it's never a bad idea to keep tabs on their movements.
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The tech is there, of course. O'Brien couldn't have drawn up the specs from scratch in Call to Arms.
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: My pet theory about the Tomed incident is that it involved cloaked Federation ships being discovered in Romulan space, followed by a Romulan retaliation. I don't see why late 23rd century Starfleet couldn't have had at least some ships with cloaking devices. They certainly must have had the technology.
Oh, I certainly agree that they've got the technology, and had it for a while -- after all, Kirk himself got his hands on a fully functional example of the cloak.
I just don't think it's reasonable to believe that ALL of Starfleet's ships were equipped with cloaks like the Romulan navy (where apparently every single warbird *does* have one).
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And remember that the Defiant had a Romulan cloaking device ON BOARD!
A Question: What if you were a race that had cloaking technology and wanted to join the Federation - would you be prevented from joining? Would you have to give up that technology?
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The latter. With the Federation, it's always been a CHOICE not to have cloaking technology - they've proven ("Pegasus", "Call to Arms") that they can develop claoks fairly easily.
This is also the point where I tell you about how cool the "Tomed Incident" chapter of Unseen Frontier would have been. But since I can't, I'll stop here.
quote: This is also the point where I tell you about how cool the "Tomed Incident" chapter of Unseen Frontier would have been. But since I can't, I'll stop here
Stop teasing us you bastard!!!
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Mark, that was just plain mean. I'm sorry, but if you're not allowed to tell us anything, then just shut up, please!
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The diplomates who signed that "we won't make cloaks" thing though really were the Worst Diplomats Ever.
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They were probably desperate, though I couldn't imagine why. If they really really really wanted to end it, then they would have given it up like that *snaps*. I wonder what the Romulans lost in their negotiations.
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It would have to be something pretty massive (or the Federation really was that on-the-ropes). Cloaking technology represents a huge technological advantage, as the Defiant proved over and over again.
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I think it has more to do with the relatively extreme proximity of Romulus to Earth. Sure, maybe the Federation could have easily bested the Empire at the time. But could they do it before seeing their capital and core worlds decimated?
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