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Peregrinus
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This is about the two-part season premiere of BSG that I just finished watching, so you damned well better believe there are spoilers involved if you haven't seen it yet.


I will say my abslute favourite moment was watching Sharon get sworn in (again?). Saul's beard looks good, but Tirol's has to go. Pissed that Caprica-Six got popped. I want to see the two Boomers put the smackdown on the rest of those [no expletives strong enough] Cylon skin-jobs. I want to see Kara not succumb to Leoben's manipulation. The interplay on the Battlestars was pretty durn good. I'm proud of both Adamas for getting over themselves -- even a little bit.

That's my first blush. What did everyone else thing?

--Jonah

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Sol System
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Pure awesome, though the Iraq stuff is so on the nose you think, OK, yes, I get it.

On the other hand, I watched it with someone significantly to my political right re blowing things up issues, and no negative comments were heard.

I am not quite sure about listening to Dean Stockwell (70!) grunt his way through sex, though, because, ew.

But, oh man. Oh man.

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Peregrinus
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Hey, I grew up with Star Trek in syndication. I'm used to having to occasionally deal with heavy-handed allegory in my s/f. [Smile]

And besides, the original BSG was more-or-less the Book of Mormon in space.

--Jonah

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(I think you are thinking I was being critical, but I'm just saying.)
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Peregrinus
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No, no -- tongue firmly in cheek here.

--Jonah

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Krenim
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Best part of the episode(s)? Zarek and Roslin.

Zarek: Tell me something, Laura. Last year? You tried to steal an election, didn't you?

Roslin: Yes, I did, Tom.

Zarek: I wish you'd gone through with it.

Roslin: Me too.

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Mars Needs Women
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Sorry to see Duck die, especially after all the webisodes. He didn't even get to kill Baltar. Speaking of which, I did get a hint of rebellion in Baltar not wanting to sign the execution orders. Perhaps he's developing a spine, but Dualla is already started on growing his back. And oh yeah, another half human/half cyclon child to deal with.
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Peregrinus
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I think you mean Gaeta, MNW. And yes, Krenim, the exchange between Zarak and Roslin was my #2. I'm glad Cally got awy, but I really want to see the resolution of the firing squad set-up. Did Boomer exert her authority over the tin cans that attacked them, and that group attacked the firing squad? Did they just ignominiously kill off Roslin and Zarak? Is it somewhere in between?

And now that we've got two half-breed kids, I'm more curious than ever as to where they're taking that.

--Jonah

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I can't believe everyone forgot about Kara nabbing Leoben in the neck with a fork! "Honey, I'm home!" *shudder*

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quote:
Originally posted by Peregrinus:
I think you mean Gaeta, MNW. And yes, Krenim, the exchange between Zarak and Roslin was my #2. I'm glad Cally got awy, but I really want to see the resolution of the firing squad set-up. Did Boomer exert her authority over the tin cans that attacked them, and that group attacked the firing squad? Did they just ignominiously kill off Roslin and Zarak? Is it somewhere in between?

And now that we've got two half-breed kids, I'm more curious than ever as to where they're taking that.

--Jonah

Sorry, I'm not good with names.

Oh yeah, that Leoben is a real psycho.

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I thought I saw Roslin in the rest-of-the-season preview at the end of the episode. So, either she survives, or there are flashbacks or hallucinations or something.

Frankly, any of those options is equally plausible.

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I believe Adama also made a comment to the effect of,"I allowed the attack on the colonies" and Baltar questioning if he's a cyclon. Its gonna be one hell of a season.
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Well, at this point, I'd find it very unlikely that the writers would choose to kill off Roslin, the #2 character, and Tom Zarek, their best recurring character. (Loved that little exchange. So matter of fact, so casual, so "we're so screwed!")

Although the most obvious result might be that most of those people got mowed down and the Cylons neglected to check the bodies to make sure no one survived, I'd find that highly unlikely. Not only would it be incredibly inefficient for machines, but it would also strain credibility to have BOTH named characters survive.

One thing that occurred to me... where's poor Cally going to go? If she goes back to town, they'll just spot her and round her up again.

I'm also really, really confused by the Cylon agenda. It seems that Boomer and Caprica Six have an honest wish for peaceful coexistence, but what the frak were they thinking they'd get when they occupied the place? A ticker-tape parade? Considering their lack of respect earned from their fellow Cylon, I wonder just why they kept the "...And they have a plan" in the opening sequence. It seems more like they're all doing their little thing. Leoben's running his sick little experiment, Xena is playing dictator, Cabal is acting like a nutty atheist-Nazi.

Finally, I want to know just what Tigh is thinking he's getting away with here. The moron spends however many days in lockup, gets let out for no particular reason, and then goes right back to doing what he was doing before? I think the Cylons must've gotten a little chunk of his brain when they pulled out his eye, because he's clearly not thinking straight.

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Jason Abbadon
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Baaad writing.
Really guys, I tried....tried so hard to watch this yesterday!
I watched the last three episodes in a row at a friend's insistance and then the season opener.

Meh.

The use of WWII trucks was the final straw that made we really really want to turn off the TV.
I mean, yeah, there's a budget and all, but everything is so...store bought.
These uys -on both sides- are supposed to be more technologicaly advanced than modern humans, but no one bothered to construct a house in the (minimum) year before te Cylons showed up?

Good acting to be had all around though- Dean Stockwell is at the top of his game here- but the story is (to me) lacking...badly.
The Cylons are possibly the least alien or robotic characters I've ever seen- why bother to call them Cylons at all?
It's just a bunch of people fucking each other over for no reason or goal.

Just my .02 as a "new" potential viewer.

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quote:
The use of WWII trucks was the final straw that made we really really want to turn off the TV.
That's nothing. They showed Starbuck's military-issue Hummer last season when she went back to Caprica. The point is, I think, that the humans are more advanced in some ways compared to us today. And in some ways, they've deliberately regressed. (They established that part in the pilot, pointing out the non-wireless phones, non-networked computers, etc.)

Yeah, it kinda blows the fantasy a little bit. But Ron Moore pointed out in his podcast last year (back when the Hummer made its appearance), that there was really little point in spending the money and time to dress up the vehicles. Because if they'd dressed them up, then they would've looked fake. (Star Trek props, anyone?)

So it's not bad writing. It's just a deliberate choice, albeit one that you may not agree with.

As far as the lack of houses in New Caprica City, I'd like to point out that it's been more than a year since Katrina, and people are still stuck in trailers all over the place. And at least here, we've got the planetary resources to provide an influx of materials. Out there, they had to set up shelter for 40-thousand-plus people all at once. (Plus, the whole thing was obviously being mismanaged by President Baltar.) So I think it makes a whole lot of sense.

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