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Now that would be a plug-in to make users switch to Firefox or whatever cool browser the kids are using this week.
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quote:But what does it do? Is it just pain? Pain can be ignored. Involuntary muscle spasms? It seems like it would only affect a small area. Like I'd be curious to get hit with one once. In a controlled situation. You know. Just see what it's like.
Sounds like you're bordering on social darwinism there.
The electricity doesn't cause spasms, it makes almost all muscles of the body contract and not just like you're flexing your bicep in the mirror, they pull together 110%, it's extremely painful, like a cramp. If you're hit center mass your abdomen contracts so you can't stand upright, same with the back muscles.
If you're hit as many times as that guy, and for that long, you can bet you'll have sore muscles for a very long time.
But I'll take it any day over mace or pepper spray.
There's a comedy show on here in Sweden where they show the 100 funniest TV-clips in modern time, one of them actually featured an adventurous TV-reporter who tried out a new police taser:
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I like you, Solly. That's why I'm gonna smurf you last.
Actually, if you look at that page again, the entry before 96 (no.97) is about a 1963 drug experiment by the british SAS (I recommend it btw). For great timespan.
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quote:Originally posted by David Sands: It's possible his senses were dulled enough that the pain induced was not enough to get compliance. Remember that Rodney King had to be brought down with a lot more than a 50,000 volt tazer before the officers were assured that they wouldn't be endangered after he had been resisting arrest.
That's a bit diffrent though: King was coked/cracked up and (while I agree with you that he should not have been beaten) was coked up on his next four arrests (the ones you dont hear about).
I cant say this officer was out of line in his taserings- any of them. This guy had resisted arrest, gotten physical with the officer and shown that the taser was not working real well on him anyway.
If this had happened in the 80's, the cop would have been justified to bring his knight stick into play -which would've gone over far worse for Mr. Drunk(?) Driver.
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Hurting someone unnecessarily is a-ok because in a time not now they would have got hurt more. Win!
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Jason: for some reason I had thought he had not been confirmed as having anything in his system when that arrest happened. Alcohol and cocaine certainly affect the body differently. Though I would think that they could functionally immunize the suspect from a tazer, just by different mechanisms. It's been a long time since that wonderful semester of psychopharmacology in college.
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My guess is that the police regard refusal to obey instructions as an assault. So this guy continuing to try and get up earned him another shot at incapacitation.
I have little sympathy for those who resist arrest. Not because I think they always deserve to be arrested or are being treated fairly, but simply because it's stupid. If the cop tells you to lay down and stop moving, for the love of common sense do it. Don't run, don't mouth off, say yes sir and lay down. You can sue him later.
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Actually, it bcomes assualt only after he grabs the officer.
Only then is the use of force warranted (or taken in this case).
As to Tasers in general- people have varing reactions to them (with or without drugs/ booze in their system). Some small guys have a resistance while some big guys drop like a stone. It's not predictabe (it's also why police tasers dont have variable settings, I suppose).
This guy may just be one of the thousands of dumbasses that want to provoke a confrontation with any cop that stops them.
That's why the police petitioned to have those cameras installed in the front of their cars- so that there is evidence that they followed procedures in dealing with a arrest/ticket for court.
...of course, it's the slim minority of bad cops that get caught by their own cameras that the press tends to focus on. Ratings and all that.
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Hurting someone unnecessarily is a-ok because in a time not now they would have got hurt more. Win!
I dont think it was nnecessary: the guy did not comply with the officer, the taser did not incapacitate him right away and this was after he got physical with the cop. Police (anywhere) dont take chances they dont have to. Nor should they.
David, if you refer to King, then no, I dont think anything could have been confirmed at the time of his beating/arrest, but any cop knows when someone is strung out. Fuck, I know, and it's not as though I have to deal with drug addicts every day (except the two potheads at work, of course).
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Ah. I stand corrected: only recently did King actually get arrested for PCP. Here's a rundown of his other adventures with the law.
Note how afraid the authorities are to prosecute him after the riots?
Any of us Flarites would be doing hard time.
...but the The Man always has it out for us geeks.
Here's some fun from my area. Makes me wonder is anything is really anyone's fault anymore...
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I'm stupid. And they knew it. So they're responsible for what I do. Brilliant. Of course, the dull cow look in his eyes kind of sums up how much we can expect from him.
Side point: The text reads "a 'habitual drunkard'". Shouldn't it be "an 'habitual drunkard'" since habitual starts with an h? Or does that rule only apply to nouns that start with h? An honor. An hour.
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