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MinutiaeMan
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I was browsing some articles this afternoon and found some disturbing statistics quoted. Since it's a Democrat quoted in an anti-Bush critique, I'm not sure if they're overblown a bit (no insult towards Democrats intended; I'm overall opposed to Bush myself), since there's obviously some political motivation for making these statements.
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[Baltimore Mayor Martin] O'Malley said the Bush administration forced a $2.5 billion cut for homeland security efforts, congressional Republicans cut an additional $1 billion, and now Bush wants to eliminate 1,200 FBI agents.
The fuck? What happened to the "War on Terrorism"?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=2109232

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Malnurtured Snay
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It's just for votes.

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First of Two
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Story coming:

Well, see, when a Republican asks for 1 billion dollars, Democrats budget 10 billion dollars, and The Republican says "no, I only need 1 billion dollars," and he reduces the budget to the original 1 billion dollars, the Democrats go out and say that he cut the budget by 9 billion dollars.

It's a good trick, but one they use so often that it's easy to spot. When you hear that someone "cut" the budget, and it's a Democrat talking, 9 times out of 10 what really happened was that a reduction was made in the size of the INCREASE of the budget.

I think Republicans do this too, BTW. But the Democrats are better at it.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Wonderful. Now all you have to do is explain the FBI agents, and your wizardry of cloak and dagger will be done.

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First of Two
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ASSUMING that the Baltimore Mayor is presenting the truth accurately (remember Clendening's trigger lock fiasco?) - How does he know this stuff - you tell me...

Anytime there's a merger, or a reorganization, you have layoffs. Eliminating redundant positions. "Trimming the fat." Consolidation, whatever you call it, people are going to be fired.

There, that didn't even require a byzantine "Vast ight Wing Conspiracy."

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Malnurtured Snay
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Who is Clendending?

PS -- you might want to rethink your post. O'Malley is not Glendening.

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quote:
Originally posted by Snay:
Who is Clendending?

PS -- you might want to rethink your post. O'Malley is not Glendening.

Ag, G not C. My bad.

Not Glendening? Let's see... Maryland... Democrat... dim... sounds similar enough to me. [Big Grin]

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MinutiaeMan
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Okay, the idea of Republicans and Democrats twisting around the proposed funding numbers to blame the other side is certainly plausible, probably even likely. (Not to mention that the Congressmen are hardly a single bloc, or even two blocs... so there's all sorts of agendas flying around.)

However, the FBI agent cutback seems completely antithetical to everything that the Bush administration has been telling us for the past year and a half. I don't understand how lowering our vigilance can be a good thing...

I guess this goes back to Bush's attempts to juggle three separate issues, and each of his three policies are wholly incompatible.

1. International cooperation against terrorism. Requires multilateral effort. (Duh!)

2. Military policy, especially against Iraq. Also requires multilateral effort, and requires increased funding to support military activity.

3. Fostering economic recovery through tax cuts of dubious focus while simultaneously increasing spending and forcing the burden on state governments.

Anyone else see the contradictions here?

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quote:
The fuck? What happened to the "War on Terrorism"?
Hermann Goering would like to answer this one.

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"Naturally the common people don't want war, but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

The transcripts of the Nuremberg Trial. Woohoo. Drag up lots of political support, secure your reign, and shut the opposition up.

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Omega
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Which, of course, changes none of the facts of the current situation. Iraq still is developing nukes, beyond any reasonable doubt. What do you propose we do?

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All the more reason to fire a bunch of LEOs. [Roll Eyes]

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Do? You don't do anything. Except continue to stomp on the closest convenient weakling. ie. Iraq. Bread and circuses, you have to love it.
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Omega
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Daryus, you feeling all right? Your answers are usually more useful than that.

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"More useful" being defined as "not directly implying that Omega's opinion is the poo we all know it to be"?
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Omega
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No, "more useful" as defined as actually giving reasons WHY you think my opinions are poo, instead of just assuming that to be true without any apparent thought involved in reaching that conclusion. Daryus, man, you're great, but your post has little to do with reality OR the point I was trying to make. I'd love to see your opinions on what I actually said, though.

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