quote:Originally posted by Omega: Iraq still is developing nukes, beyond any reasonable doubt.
I'm sorry, I seem to have missed that memo.
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No, Se�or Snay. It's a complete lack of a coherent and well thought out policy.
As stated by former Bush aide John DiIulio "the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis," in which everything--and I mean everything--[is] being run by the political arm.... There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus."
I guess I shouldn't say that Mr. Bush has no policy at all. His policy is two-fold.
1) Promoting the old Republican cure-all for everything that ails anything, supply-side economics;
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2) Getting the guys who threatened his dad.
Plus there is an odd smattering of programs that are anti-environment.
Which, in a complex world, basicly gives us the hugely antagonistic ends of generating huge tax cuts for the wealthy, and then asking for more tax cuts for the wealthy, all while promoting and spending for "War On Terror" ** and an actual war in Iraq.
Put quite simply, something or somethings have to give. And once again under a Republican administration among those somethings are domestic programs for which there appears to be no policy. And now apparently giving ground in the confused mind of Mr. Bush are some of the much ballyhooed programs for Homeland Security.
Mr. Bush and the American people are finding out that the optimistic campaign promises that we can have it all were then, and remain now, completely wrong.
The problem with this thread is that neither of the two people who seem opposed to the opinions expressed by Mayor O'Malley do not challenge the truthfulness of the allegations.
One claims, with nothing in support, that it's a budgeting problem caused by the Democrats.
The other simply says Saddam is a bad man.
Like one of the great lines from "All the President's Men", it's a non-denial denial.
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Doesn't have to do exactly with Bush, but there was a rather amusing website a couple of days ago that crashed on takeoff: Steve Jobs for President.
Anyway, I hate to sound smug, but I could tell right from the beginning that Bush had little in the way of a clear policy for most issues, and was generally trying to say whatever would get him the votes. Granted, most politicians do that anyway, but Bush took that whole thing to the extreme.
For instance, what ever happened to Bush's goals of education reform? Fixing the Social Security issue? Reducing military deployments? Sure, the War on Terror (tm) has taken some precedence -- but a lot of this stuff has simply been forgotten in all the commotion.
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Not forgotten. Shoved aside. Starting a war is a great diversionary tactic.
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: For instance, what ever happened to Bush's goals of education reform? Fixing the Social Security issue? Reducing military deployments?
Except for the last, which would be inadvisable during wartime, these have been mentioned in recent Bush speeches, and Bush has sent initiatives to Congress to deal with them.
Unfortunately, there are still enough Democrats in Congress to obstruct action on them.
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Bluster and blathering. Filibusters, maybe.
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Politics as usual. Both sides do/have done this. Being the party out of power, though, the Democrats have the need/ability to do this. When you hold the majority, there's no need to delay your own progress, no need to filibuster.
And then there's always 'defectors':
quote:“They have concrete evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, a New York Democrat, told reporters. “I became more convinced after this meeting.”
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So you're saying there is no need to question the agenda set by the majority?
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There is always a need to question the agenda of the majority.
There is always a need to question the agenda of the minority, as well.
Those who fail to do both with the same level of intensity are lying to themselves.
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Oh, good, that clears that right up. See I was confused cause when you said
quote:Bluster and blathering. Filibusters, maybe.
it sounded to me like you thought it was a bad thing. It sounded like you were saying that the Democrats should follow along with whatever conservative agenda Mr. Bush and fellow Republican set without questioning that agenda at all.
But that's all cleared up, cause you weren't saying that at all.
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No, no. Bluster, blathering, and filibusters ARE bad things, no matter who does it.
They fall under the heading "obstructionism," rather than the hearing "debate."
I'm sure you're aware of the obvious differences between someone who is debating and someone who is just talking and talking for as long as their throat holds out, just to delay proceedings, just as you can tell the difference between someone who is actively engaged in a dialogue vs. someone chanting slogans in front of a Starbucks.
This should not be anything new to you. I've spoken before about my utter contempt for slogan shouters and the like. I feel that all protestors should either present a cogent argument, or shut up, because they are incapable of being more than a warm body to be counted, and they can do that well enough in silence.
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there are still enough Democrats in Congress to obstruct action on them.
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